Anti-Illegal Immigration Quandary. - Page 3

IminWonderland · 11-20-2006, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by Phantom

This argument reminds me of the arguments white neighborhoods put forth in their efforts to prevent black persons from moving in to their neighborhoods.

"The neighborhood falls apart when they come"
"They don't live like us"
"They don't integrate with us"
"They commit crime and bring other criminals to the neighborhood"

etc.

Just a thought.

The difference is that Blacks WERE Americans...

These people aren't just Americans that happen to be of Mexican Decent...THEY ARE MEXICANS, and that's the country they are loyal to, and that is the culture they stick with.

They are not assimilating into our culture, and they DO turn neighborhoods into slums.

My own neighborhood is an example of that. When we moved into here, 3 years ago, the neighborhood was full of homeowners (we live in apartments surrounded by homes and condos) and was a quiet peaceful neighborhood, right by a park, it was ideal for us to move there. Now, three years later, the homeowners sold their houses, many of them, and we had an upheavel of illegal immigrants, who buy a $600K house, and live 35 people to a house. And when that happened, then the condos started to go. The crime has gone up significantly in our neighborhood, there is grafitti in the park, and not to mention the nusiance of groups of Mexican teens loitering on the streets in the middle of the night, and lowered Cadillacs bumping mariachi at 2 a.m.

This isn't a race issue, because I am mexican. My Family is as mexican as it gets. But, my family came here legally, adapted to American culture, and they are all against what they see happening to their neighborhoods, this is out of control, and in So Cal, it is probably too late for it to turn back.

Phantom · 11-20-2006, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by IminWonderland

This isn't a race issue, because I am mexican. My Family is as mexican as it gets. But, my family came here legally, adapted to American culture, and they are all against what they see happening to their neighborhoods, this is out of control, and in So Cal, it is probably too late for it to turn back.

You're not really Mexican if you were born here to a family who adapted to American culture and spent your life here.

Even if you are reasonably competent in the native tongue, you most likely wouldn't be welcome in Mexico and once your views on immigration were outed, you would certainly not be welcome in Mexico. I don't think your connection to Mexico is half as strong as you suggest.

Even if I am wrong about everything above, your post still shows that your problem with the illegal immigrants is still the people themselves, rather than the laws. Here again, the law is the pretext for a distaste for the persons. You can call it racism, anti-Mexicanism or whatever -ism, the grievance is not with the laws at all, it's with the people involved.

IminWonderland · 11-20-2006, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by Phantom

You're not really Mexican if you were born here to a family who adapted to American culture and spent your life here.

Even if you are reasonably competent in the native tongue, you most likely wouldn't be welcome in Mexico and once your views on immigration were outed, you would certainly not be welcome in Mexico. I don't think your connection to Mexico is half as strong as you suggest.

Even if I am wrong about everything above, your post still shows that your problem with the illegal immigrants is still the people themselves, rather than the laws. Here again, the law is the pretext for a distaste for the persons. You can call it racism, anti-Mexicanism or whatever -ism, the grievance is not with the laws at all, it's with the people involved.

You are partially right, I am not "Mexican", I am an American. Period. That's where I was born, and that's the culture I identify with. My family, being of eventual immigrants, started in Mexico and came here, they probably wouldn't be welcome back, considering the country of Mexico has a strong lobby for their poor to essentially invade our country. I don't have a connection with Mexico aside from how dark my abuela is. It's heritage and it's all been replaced by Americanism.

However, the grievence is with the laws. Because we have laws. And they aren't being enforced. They need to be and they should be, and equally even if there are "Just alot of mexicans". We have those laws for a reason, and the people that break them, should be punished accordingly.

SICKGUY · 11-21-2006, 02:51 AM

Originally Posted by Thomas Crown

This just shows how far out you are. You operate under the assumption that most people who oppose illegal immigration are racists. This is absurd.

And in regard to your terribly disjointed attempt at rationalizing the crime by saying it is done. Does this apply to murder? Theft? Rape?

It is arguable that your point is even MORE valid for those three than being an illegal immigrant.

how do you even compare rape and murder to crossing the border to make a better life for yourself?

how do you suppose your family got to america? thats different how, because it happened a long time ago?? i always thought conservatives were all about earning your keep, picking yourself up by the boot straps and doing something with your life. these mexicans risk their lives, leave their families (sometimes for years), and make ridiculous journeys, just to work at denny's and wash dishes or cook your food (and a number of other things). yet, we act like they are somehow a drain on "the american way" and are stealing all our precious jobs. how many of you have ever been beat our for a job by an illegal alien?

while im not for an open border or anything, im realistic. this problem is much larger than some stupid laws making english the official language, or making it illegal to do business with them. that justs sounds like a modified version of segregation to me, but i forgot, youre not a racist. why dont we punish american employers that continue to give them jobs? or..how about we actually acknowledge that they really do play a large role in our economy?

since when did being an american make you some superior being, and more deserving of the good life than anyone else? what do you even do in your life that makes you more deserving of anything?

SICKGUY · 11-21-2006, 03:05 AM

Originally Posted by Phantom

You're not really Mexican if you were born here to a family who adapted to American culture and spent your life here.

Even if you are reasonably competent in the native tongue, you most likely wouldn't be welcome in Mexico and once your views on immigration were outed, you would certainly not be welcome in Mexico. I don't think your connection to Mexico is half as strong as you suggest.

Even if I am wrong about everything above, your post still shows that your problem with the illegal immigrants is still the people themselves, rather than the laws. Here again, the law is the pretext for a distaste for the persons. You can call it racism, anti-Mexicanism or whatever -ism, the grievance is not with the laws at all, it's with the people involved.

my family was already in this general area (colorado/new mexico) before it was america. i dont pretend to be some true mexican, and i have never been to mexico, but chicano culture is alot different than mainstream american ways. its different than being a mexican from mexico, but you still never forget that you are from mexican descent.

i also feel that its not as easy to succeed in this country as a minority, so i think i am predisposed to root for the for the underdog.

i dont believe simply being an american makes myself, or anyone else above allowing another person to try for a better life. while its not the best approach to come over illegally and in large numbers, why doesnt anyone ever look at WHY they come into this country. instead its all about stopping them and never understanding their reasoning.

immigration is a tricky subject.