Security Council gives Iran sanctions deadline - Page 2

JaJae · 08-01-2006, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by Concept

I think this is a good thing.

The only way Iran will pay attention to anything the United States has to say is if we have the world on our side.

Iran is a land-locked nation. Economic sanctions would be the equivalent of shoving a pole up their ass. Very far up.

I saw on CNN that they're "reevaluating" the incentives package that they have been offered. Sorry, but I don't have a link right now to back up that statement.

But, well, whatever.

And are the reports true? Did Iran have an envoy overseeing the test-launch of North Korea's Taepongdong-II?

Iran is thought to be the source of all the US's problems in the world right now by the intelligence community whether it be the Israel, Iran, Korea, etc. It's almost too easy to blame them at this point.

I'm not a fan of Iran, but I think it's getting kind of ridiculous how everything is being blamed on them. If it's true, great let's do something about it. But if not, we're just digging ourselves into a deeper hole in the Middle East.

Concept · 08-01-2006, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

Iran is thought to be the source of all the US's problems in the world right now by the intelligence community whether it be the Israel, Iran, Korea, etc. It's almost too easy to blame them at this point.

I'm not a fan of Iran, but I think it's getting kind of ridiculous how everything is being blamed on them. If it's true, great let's do something about it. But if not, we're just digging ourselves into a deeper hole in the Middle East.

True. There's too much ambiguity about Iran.

Israel claims that Iran is freely supporting Hezbollah, though they have denied all these claims. Now, the United Nations claims that Iran has a nuclear weapons program.

But the United Nations is convinced that the latter is the case because they refuse to let inspectors do their job. If they are not to blame, and if they want to prove it to the rest of the world, they could simply allow inspectors into their facilities. But they don't. There must be something.

But, then again, America was convinced that there was WMDs in Iraq, and Saddam Hussein was only allowing certain facilities to be inspected by the IAEA.

ballz2wallz · 08-01-2006, 12:29 PM

Iranian president rejects U.N. nuke deadline

TEHRAN, Iran - President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Tuesday rejected a U.N. Security Council resolution that would give his nation until Aug. 31 to suspend uranium enrichment.

Concept · 08-01-2006, 12:31 PM

Sucks for them.

Donkey® · 08-01-2006, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by ethyl

The evidence is when Iran admitted to having a secret program hidden from the IAEA and the UN to develop nuclear technology. As naive as the world is today, they're not naive enough to believe Iran had a secret nuclear power program.

They were caught and then relented to inspections. I am SURE the US has no secret programs.

Scrum · 08-01-2006, 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by Donkey®

I am SURE the US has no secret programs.

We're allowed to silly. We're the good guys.

JaJae · 08-01-2006, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by Concept

Sucks for them.

Not really. The UN doesn't have the balls to do anything about it and Iran knows it. They'll just wait a couple months and give them another sanction that's a bit "nicer" which Iran will reject and before you know it not only will the UN not care about Iran's nuclear programs, but they'll be funding it as well as illegally extorting money from it. Sometimes I wish when the terrorists struck NY they hit the damn UN district instead...

Donkey® · 08-01-2006, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

Not really. The UN doesn't have the balls to do anything about it and Iran knows it. They'll just wait a couple months and give them another sanction that's a bit "nicer" which Iran will reject and before you know it not only will the UN not care about Iran's nuclear programs, but they'll be funding it as well as illegally extorting money from it. Sometimes I wish when the terrorists struck NY they hit the damn UN district instead...

Sometimes I wish we would just leave people in the middle east alone...then maybe we wouldn't be getting attacked.

Concept · 08-01-2006, 03:12 PM

True, the United Nations can only suggest things to her member nations. They can only suggest economic sanctions by member states, not coerce.

motivez · 08-01-2006, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by ethyl

NPT signatories are all given the right to enrich uranium and develop nuclear technology... so long as it's under the scrutiny of UN inspectors to ensure it's for nuclear power only.

And that's my point. We don't allow those inspectors as a signatory to the NPT.

motivez · 08-01-2006, 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

Not really. The UN doesn't have the balls to do anything about it and Iran knows it. They'll just wait a couple months and give them another sanction that's a bit "nicer" which Iran will reject and before you know it not only will the UN not care about Iran's nuclear programs, but they'll be funding it as well as illegally extorting money from it. Sometimes I wish when the terrorists struck NY they hit the damn UN district instead...

Yep, like I said, this is toothless and I doubt China and Russia will allow these sanctions to ever happen.

Iran is in a very good position right now politically to simply ignore any threats of sanctions with other countries dependent on their oil productions, and a military option is not really on the table even though militarily we could probably handle it.

ethyl · 08-01-2006, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

And that's my point. We don't allow those inspectors as a signatory to the NPT.

And my point is inspectors would never do that because the US developed nukes before 1967... anyone after 1967 that wants nuclear power must be inspected. Tag you're it.

motivez · 08-01-2006, 08:47 PM

We've significantly expanded our nuclear capabilities since then. If we're too good to allow UN inspections, why should we expect other soverign nations to do so?

We should be leading by example, but instead we're breaking our responsibilities under the NPT and other nations are following suit. Do as I say, not as I do might work on children, but countries like Iran aren't stupid.. and they aren't children.

ethyl · 08-01-2006, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

We've significantly expanded our nuclear capabilities since then. If we're too good to allow UN inspections, why should we expect other soverign nations to do so?

We should be leading by example, but instead we're breaking our responsibilities under the NPT and other nations are following suit. Do as I say, not as I do might work on children, but countries like Iran aren't stupid.. and they aren't children.

The US and every other pre-1967 nuclear country have no responsibility to allow UN inspectors in because they already have nukes and nuclear power. It's a "do as we say because you (Iran) signed and agreed to it" situation.

motivez · 08-01-2006, 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by ethyl

The US and every other pre-1967 nuclear country have no responsibility to allow UN inspectors in because they already have nukes and nuclear power. It's a "do as we say because you (Iran) signed and agreed to it" situation.

Uh, where are you getting that idea? The text of the NPT is fairly clear and I didn't see any mention of that?

I did find this, though..

Article IV

1. Nothing in this Treaty shall be interpreted as affecting the inalienable right of all the Parties to the Treaty to develop research, production and use of nuclear energy for peaceful purposes without discrimination and in conformity with Articles I and II of this Treaty.

Iran has a right to do what they're doing according to the treaty.

ethyl · 08-01-2006, 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

Uh, where are you getting that idea? The text of the NPT is fairly clear and I didn't see any mention of that?

I did find this, though..

Iran has a right to do what they're doing according to the treaty.

A safeguard was put under the IAEA for the NPT "to build confidence between States parties" by verifying NPT countries are developing peaceful nuclear technology.

Countries don't sign up for the NPT out of the goodness of their hearts and for the wellbeing of the world. They sign up so NPT members will trade nuclear power technology with them.. and the other NPT states expect a sense of security regarding what is done with that technology. Iran benefited from the NPT, yet violated it by keeping their nuclear program secret from the IAEA. The world has every right to make demands (such as restrictions) of Iran for violating the NPT. I certainly have no problem with them developing nuclear power technology and neither does the world (including the US) since they were allowed to sign the NPT - but since they've been so secretive and broke the confidence of their fellow NPT signatories... they deserve any restrictions that involve enriching uranium outside of their sole control.