Originally Posted by AVengeance The United States is still (supposed to be) a soveriegn nation. We need answer to no "international law" or "international community". Even if we wrote these laws? A good portion, if not all, of international laws and treaties has some how involved us in its creation. ...
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11-20-2006, 12:50 PM
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| Master Debator Election Moderator  Democrat Omaha, NE 
| Originally Posted by AVengeance Even if we wrote these laws? A good portion, if not all, of international laws and treaties has some how involved us in its creation.
It is like state lawmakers passing legislation making pot illegal to grow and smoke... then growing it and smoking it themselves. | ||||
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11-20-2006, 02:11 PM
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| Junkie  Conservative Party
| Originally Posted by DosEquis nobody elses follows them, why should we ? The GC isnt a law like murder, it is an agreement between two nations during their battles. I dont see the Taliban or al-qaeda on the signatory list.
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11-20-2006, 02:25 PM
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| Banned - Self Imposed  Progressive Philadelphia, PA
| Originally Posted by Diesel66 Fascist Italians and Germans who violated pretty much every humanitarian law possible still upheld the Geneva Conventions a significant amount of the time
Next time our soldiers get in a war, we're giving every nation a right to torture them to death... The Iraqis who beheaded and tortured to death those two American soldiers...besides Iraqi law (thats a joke) they violated nothing since apparently the GC don't apply anymore...what they did was perfectly acceptable thanks to Bush | ||||
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11-20-2006, 03:43 PM
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| "He does own the building."  Moderate
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim Please tell me you didn't write this post. That it was a stray rabid antelope that hijacked your keyboard and hoofed out this ridiculousness.
The Germans MURDERED millions of innocents. Raping and torturing them before killing them. The Italians helped and did quite a bit of torturing themselves. The GC does not technically or legally apply to the war now. | ||||
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11-20-2006, 03:49 PM
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| Banned - Self Imposed Progressive Philadelphia, PA
| Originally Posted by Thomas Crown Do you realize how many Allied POWs survived German and Italian captivity in good health?
Would you rather all those people had been killed? | ||||
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11-20-2006, 04:19 PM
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| Junkie Conservative Party
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim your history teacher failed you. Russians, Jewish, Polish, etc... soldiers dont count ? All those sent to the concentration camps and slave labor camps or just plain shot in the street
How about the Americans murdered and tortured ?
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11-20-2006, 04:28 PM
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| Master Debator Election Moderator Democrat Omaha, NE
| Originally Posted by Diesel66 The groups, Al Qaeda and the Taliban, are not countries. They are organizations, a form of militia if you will. They have not signed the agreement because they are not countries and they have little to zero regard for their enemies and the lives of their enemies. I can say with confidence that when we water board someone or go through with any other torture methods and word gets back to them...the little to zero regard for our captured men drops to just plain zero regard.
Not to mention torture really does not net any good information. I am not saying we should put them up in the Marriott and bring them free continental breakfast. | ||||
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11-20-2006, 04:44 PM
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| Banned - Self Imposed Progressive Philadelphia, PA
| Originally Posted by Diesel66 I could have sworn I didn't say "all"
And I guess French, British, and American lives don't matter...only Soviets | ||||
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11-20-2006, 04:51 PM
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| Junkie Conservative Party
| Originally Posted by DosEquis Exactly, thus they have no protections under the GC.
Originally Posted by Thorgrim The French, British and Americans were victims of torture and murder though. It all depended on who captured them and when and where they were captured.
Here is a great example Malmedy massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jewish-Americans/Brits/French that were captured were sent to the concentration camps. | ||||
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11-20-2006, 05:00 PM
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| Master Debator Election Moderator Democrat Omaha, NE
| Just because they can't sign it does not make us exempt from following the rules we created. If we follow the rules and they chose to saw peoples heads off, it further helps our case against them and building alliances against them. We also do not look like hypocrits along with keeping our moral high ground. And all thi ww2 stuff is part of the reason why it was hitler vs. the world. He was murdering people by the 10s of thousands, so as a collective group we took him out. | ||||
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11-20-2006, 05:14 PM
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| Banned - Self Imposed Progressive Philadelphia, PA
| Originally Posted by Diesel66 No protection...ok you have on example of around 150 americans being killed after a battle...
I see that, and raise you 95,532 American POWs who were not killed by the germans Also 135,000 english, 1.8 million french...over 2 million allied soldiers...not killed...why? But I suppose if they would have been executed...no big deal However, many of us enjoy that our grandparents survived German POW camps and we were born, many others wish they had never been born...whatever Bottom line: The Geneva Conventions saved millions of lives in WW2 alone | ||||
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11-20-2006, 05:32 PM
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| Junkie Conservative Party
| Originally Posted by DosEquis The rules are only between signing parties and only hold if the other side follows them. Basically a gentlemen's agreement. They are not laws. They are closer to rules in a sporting match.
Originally Posted by Thorgrim
 Yes because it was a minor piece of paper that saved them. Too bad the Germans didnt bother to actually follow the document unless they felt like it. | ||||
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11-20-2006, 05:38 PM
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| Banned - Self Imposed Progressive Philadelphia, PA
| Originally Posted by Diesel66 That's right, when their own citizens were starving and homeless from allied bombing, they were just thrilled to feed and care for 2 million allied POWs
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11-20-2006, 05:42 PM
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| Junkie Conservative Party
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim Love how you ignore the torture and murder of thousands of western POWs and basically all the eastern POWs sent to concentration camps.
Perhaps they respected the westerns because we were aryan. Perhaps they feared what we would do to their POWs. Either way they didnt follow the GC. | ||||
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11-20-2006, 06:14 PM
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| Banned - Self Imposed Progressive Philadelphia, PA
| Originally Posted by Diesel66 Ok, elementary school failed you, but if they cared for millions of Western Allied soldiers, in regards to the Geneva Conventions rather than just executing them when their own citizens badly needed the food they were FOLLOWING THE GC
No, they didn't follow them 100%, neither did we, we committed war crimes too, but the fact is GERMANY, BRITAIN, AMERICA, ITALY ALL TRIED TO FOLLOW THE GC even the most vicious regime that ever existed, the Nazis, tried to follow it And people here want to call it worthless I am sorry but I value the lives of 2 million people, and every american should value the lives of near 100,000 American POWs whose lives led to many of your friends being born | ||||
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11-20-2006, 07:24 PM
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| Junkie Conservative Party
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim throwing entire armies into concentration camps is "trying to follow the GC" ??
You are the only person on earth that thinks the Germans followed the GC and you pull these random statements out of your ass. | ||||
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11-20-2006, 08:18 PM
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur.  Reform Party NJ
| Originally Posted by Diesel66 Calm down there's no need for that. Let's behave more civilly with other members please.
Originally Posted by Thorgrim There's no need to leave someone negative reputation if you're going to do the same exact thing a few posts later.
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11-20-2006, 10:25 PM
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| Banned - Self Imposed Progressive Philadelphia, PA
| Originally Posted by JaJae I don't think he honestly thought elementary school failed him or that people thought he had come to his conclusions because of a bad elementary school, it was just a play on his weird wordings on his attack on me
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11-20-2006, 10:44 PM
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| Administrator  libertarian Oklahoma
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim Which is why you guys were both told to drop it, so please l
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