Kissinger: Victory is in Iraq no longer possible

Thorgrim · 11-19-2006, 01:00 PM

Kissinger: Victory no longer possible
Former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, who advised Bush on the Iraq war, said military victory is no longer possible and joined calls for the U.S. government to seek help from Iraq’s regional neighbors— including Iran.

“If you mean, by ‘military victory,’ an Iraqi government that can be established and whose writ runs across the whole country, that gets the civil war under control and sectarian violence under control in a time period that the political processes of the democracies will support, I don’t believe that is possible,” he said on the BBC’s Sunday AM program.

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If you remember he was the new secret advisor to Bush who was part of the team with Rumsfeld that felt they could still win...not anymore

The administration is fast running out of people besides media talk heads who believe there is a chance of victory

BTW at least 50 people have been killed so far in Iraq today

SpicyMcVoodoo · 11-19-2006, 02:07 PM

Who cares? Sean Hannity is still firmly on board the victory wagon.

goldenponderbob · 11-19-2006, 05:03 PM

, I don’t believe that is possible,” he said on the BBC’s Sunday AM program.

Does anyone suppose we'll get to be in on exactly "when and why he reached that conclusoin"?

Wouldn't you like to know the criteria that produced the conclusion?

Some crumby sage, but that's just my opinion.

goldenponderbob

Nonphixion · 11-19-2006, 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by goldenponderbob

, I don’t believe that is possible,” he said on the BBC’s Sunday AM program.

Does anyone suppose we'll get to be in on exactly "when and why he reached that conclusoin"?

Wouldn't you like to know the criteria that produced the conclusion?

Some crumby sage, but that's just my opinion.

goldenponderbob

Maybe that was what the administration had in mind all along, to lose.

Why else would we send drastically less (by hundreds of thousands) than was needed to "keep the region from devolving into chaos" as stated by many generals before we went in. Those extra "hundreds of thousands" was not even a figure needed to win ultimately, but just to keep some measure of stability.

We sent in 150,000 troops with essentially no armor against IED's or even against AK-47's. There was never a plan to have stability in the region under Rumsfeld.

goldenponderbob · 11-20-2006, 10:50 AM

You could interchange yesterday's casualty report with one from a year ago yesterday and practically nobody would know the difference.

So, what changed in Iraq to produce Dr. Kissinger's awakening?

The election?

What swell advice has he ever given anybody on anything?

DosEquis · 11-20-2006, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by goldenponderbob

You could interchange yesterday's casualty report with one from a year ago yesterday and practically nobody would know the difference.

So, what changed in Iraq to produce Dr. Kissinger's awakening?

The election?

What swell advice has he ever given anybody on anything?

I think it is the fact that nothing has changed is the issue. They say it gets better when we get saddam, they say it gets better when we get his sons, they say its gets better when they have elections, they say it gets better when we get zarqawi, yet month after month things do not get better. They still have electricity problems, they still do not have their oil supply up to speed, they still have 100+ civilians dying monthly and still have our soldiers dying monthly.

What do we have to accomplish to establish stability? The answer is nothing. They have to figure it out for themselves. We have won everything we can win.

goldenponderbob · 11-20-2006, 11:28 AM

The commonly accepted theory is that the departure of American troops from that unhappy land would cause "the enemy" to go around murdering
those who support the current government.

I'm in favor of supposing that's exactly whats happening now, except occasionally one of "our boys" gets in between.

In the old westerns I grew up on, when a gunfight was about to take
place in the street, peace loving citizens watched from behind windows
until the scuffle was over.

Why can't we try something like that in Iraq?

Thomas Crown · 11-20-2006, 11:48 AM

When is Kissinger going to die? The man is ancient. My grandfather was the mans doctor when he was SecState and my grandfather is already dead.

I swear, this guy has some special illuminati anti-death potion.

=)