Rep. Rangel Will Seek to Reinstate Draft

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

having a draft will hurt the military more than it will help. and I am one of those that have put everything on the line

So it looks as though your bosses in the US military are planning to either go home completely or cut the military in half in Iraq...either one would no doubt increase sectarian violence

The only other option is to have many more soldiers which they don't have, which would require a draft

So are you supporting the withdrawal of US troops that will increase violence and lead to our defeat, or a draft to produce enough troops to win?

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

So it looks as though your bosses in the US military are planning to either go home completely or cut the military in half in Iraq...either one would no doubt increase sectarian violence

that is for them to decide not me

The only other option is to have many more soldiers which they don't have, which would require a draft

negative, i have been sitting on my ass for a year. If they wanted to send more troops they would step up the deployment schedule.

So are you supporting the withdrawal of US troops that will increase violence and lead to our defeat, or a draft to produce enough troops to win?

neither

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

that is for them to decide not me

negative, i have been sitting on my ass for a year. If they wanted to send more troops they would step up the deployment schedule.

neither

Gen. Abizaid disagrees with you:

"We can put in 20,000 more Americans tomorrow and achieve a temporary effect," Abizaid said, apparently referring to McCain's call for more troops. "But when you look at the overall American force pool that's available out there, the ability to sustain that commitment is simply not something that we have right now with the size of the Army and the Marine Corps."

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So we can't sustain an increase with our current army...so either we get out of iraq or draft...which is it?

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Gen. Abizaid disagrees with you:

"We can put in 20,000 more Americans tomorrow and achieve a temporary effect," Abizaid said, apparently referring to McCain's call for more troops. "But when you look at the overall American force pool that's available out there, the ability to sustain that commitment is simply not something that we have right now with the size of the Army and the Marine Corps."

Excite News - U.S. Commander

So we can't sustain an increase with our current army...so either we get out of iraq or draft...which is it?

sustain that commitment for how long?

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

sustain that commitment for how long?

Did he read what he said, we can't sustain it at all

its like taking a sub too low, you can't sustain it at anytime, but you can watch the sub start to bust up

if thats what your asking, how long until everything collapsed, i dont think thats a scenario the military entertains as a serious option of guesstimation

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Did he read what he said, we can't sustain it at all

its like taking a sub too low, you can't sustain it at anytime, but you can watch the sub start to bust up

if thats what your asking, how long until everything collapsed, i dont think thats a scenario the military entertains as a serious option of guesstimation

"we can put them in tomorrow"

Why would you want to escalate the war?

[thatguyoverthere]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

having a draft will hurt the military more than it will help. and I am one of those that have put everything on the line

That's not the point. The point is that we have to make some tough choices if we're serious about winning in Iraq.

War supporters talk tough, but they're not willing to make tough choices. At least you have the courage to serve. Conscription has been around for centuries. It may not be what you (or most) prefer, but it won't destroy the military. Weren't people drafted into World War II?

Most of the other war supporters are yellow-bellied chicken hawks that aren't even willing to pay for the war, much less serve their country. They're shaking in their boots at the mere IDEA that their country may call them to serve in a war that they claim to support winning.

Leaving Iraq would be a loss. Current troop levels are unsustainable. The only way to win in Iraq is to add a lot more troops, and the only way to add a sufficient number of troops is with a draft. Also with a draft, maybe we'll all be a little more careful the next time someone tried to rush us into war with dodgy evidence. I think that would be a good thing.

[goldenponderbob]

If the primary purpose is to increase the supply of soldiers, the first thing I'd like to know is,

"What return on investment are we getting now, that would lead a sane person to increase the investment down the road".

But, here's a thought Charlie . . .

Maybe instead of a 700 mile fence along the Mexican border, we put up induction facilities. "Greeting, and welcome to the USA, you've just been
drafted".

[Diesel66]

Originally Posted by thatguyoverthere

War supporters talk tough, but they're not willing to make tough choices. At least you have the courage to serve. Conscription has been around for centuries. It may not be what you (or most) prefer, but it won't destroy the military. Weren't people drafted into World War II?

Most of the other war supporters are yellow-bellied chicken hawks that aren't even willing to pay for the war, much less serve their country. They're shaking in their boots at the mere IDEA that their country may call them to serve in a war that they claim to support winning.

draftee military would be a horribe mistake. At the very least it takes 1 year to set up the draft, draft them, get them through bootcamp and then into a unit. After all that, they will still not be much more then bodies filling a unit. And that isnt even bringing up the new expenses to train and house these new soldiers that are more likely to leave asap.

What percentage of people do you think will ignore the draft notice ? Or will be medically unfit for service/drug use (legal and illegal)

[7960]

Originally Posted by goldenponderbob

If the primary purpose is to increase the supply of soldiers, .......

But it's not.

The author of the bill even says the primary purpose is to get politicians to think harder before they vote to send troops off to war. He wants to use the draft as a war deterrent.......such a shitty idea.

[DosEquis]

Originally Posted by thatguyoverthere

That's not the point. The point is that we have to make some tough choices if we're serious about winning in Iraq.

War supporters talk tough, but they're not willing to make tough choices. At least you have the courage to serve. Conscription has been around for centuries. It may not be what you (or most) prefer, but it won't destroy the military. Weren't people drafted into World War II?

Most of the other war supporters are yellow-bellied chicken hawks that aren't even willing to pay for the war, much less serve their country. They're shaking in their boots at the mere IDEA that their country may call them to serve in a war that they claim to support winning.

Leaving Iraq would be a loss. Current troop levels are unsustainable. The only way to win in Iraq is to add a lot more troops, and the only way to add a sufficient number of troops is with a draft. Also with a draft, maybe we'll all be a little more careful the next time someone tried to rush us into war with dodgy evidence. I think that would be a good thing.

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by thatguyoverthere

That's not the point. The point is that we have to make some tough choices if we're serious about winning in Iraq.

War supporters talk tough, but they're not willing to make tough choices. At least you have the courage to serve. Conscription has been around for centuries. It may not be what you (or most) prefer, but it won't destroy the military. Weren't people drafted into World War II?

WWII was a different kind of war, we need more out of our lower ranking enlisted than we did in WWII

Most of the other war supporters are yellow-bellied chicken hawks that aren't even willing to pay for the war, much less serve their country. They're shaking in their boots at the mere IDEA that their country may call them to serve in a war that they claim to support winning.

proof?

Leaving Iraq would be a loss. Current troop levels are unsustainable. The only way to win in Iraq is to add a lot more troops, and the only way to add a sufficient number of troops is with a draft.

who said current troop levels are unsustainable? Why is adding more troops in Iraq the only way to win? We could make the military larger without a draft by authorizing a larger armed forces.

Also with a draft, maybe we'll all be a little more careful the next time someone tried to rush us into war with dodgy evidence. I think that would be a good thing.

so we should destroy the military and endanger our country to maybe slow down a war. I totally disagree that is in the best interests of our country

[MoTaVa]

It'd be a great idea for us to take a page from the Israelis book. Every able bodied citizen of the United States should be required to do 2 years military service if they opt out or drop out of college. It would do wonders for our society. Lord knows there are many of us that are never taught how to act in public, never learn a trade, or how to respect those that have earned the right to be respected. I dare say it might even have a small effect on the crime rate.

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by MoTaVa

It'd be a great idea for us to take a page from the Israelis book. Every able bodied citizen of the United States should be required to do 2 years military service if they opt out or drop out of college. It would do wonders for our society. Lord knows there are many of us that are never taught how to act in public, never learn a trade, or how to respect those that have earned the right to be respected. I dare say it might even have a small effect on the crime rate.

America is a free country and we should stay free. The military is in the business of protecting this country, not force shaping all young adults.

[Diamond Cross]

The draft is never going to happen. I would support a draft, but only if it was a draft that was needed, but the last time a draft was needed was with WW II. We don't need one now.