Michael Richards (Kramer) uses N-bomb and slurs during Comedy Routine

[thomez]

Originally Posted by 7960

Exactly.

Listen to what he says and you'll hear richards talk about how they wouldn't shut up and how they're talking and talking and talking. The video starts at his rant, it doesn't show what led up to it which, having been to a movie in a 'black' city, was probably some ignorant people who didn't know when to shut the fuck up while someone else was talking.

Chris Rock calls black people that act like that niggers. Kramer did the same.

[7960]

Originally Posted by thomez

Chris Rock calls black people that act like that niggers. Kramer did the same.

call it PC or whatever you want.........chris rock is black, he gets to call them that

Also, Richards was given a lot of leeway by the audience, but when he didn't bring it back they turned on him. If he had said something like "there's a nigga...they neva kno when ta shut deir moufs" and brought it back to actual comedy I think people would have laughed (or at least not have been offended). When he just started shouting "nigger nigger nigger NIGGER NIGGER!!!" it wasn't funny, and he didn't seem like he was getting to comedy any time soon.

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by lew

I hate racial political correctness bullshit.

yeah, if you're ever mad at a black guy, don't call him an asshole, a prick, or a motherfucker...just call him "nigger", i mean, they are all just words, and you're mad

sounds logical, do that the rest of your life, especially infront of your family

[Thomas Crown]

Originally Posted by 7960

call it PC or whatever you want.........chris rock is black, he gets to call them that

It is the attitude that this is OK is the problem. Blacks (or anyone else for that matter) cannot have it both ways. It is either a slur, or an adjective. If one can say it, all can say it. The more we allow this double standard to stand, the more we say it is ok for double standards in general.

[Thomas Crown]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

yeah, if you're ever mad at a black guy, don't call him an asshole, a prick, or a motherfucker...just call him "nigger", i mean, they are all just words, and you're mad

sounds logical, do that the rest of your life, especially infront of your family

Let me try to break this down for you one more time.

Let's assume the worst for a moment and operate under the assumption that nigger is the worst word ever.

If this is the case, then it is not ok for ANYONE to use. But the moment it starts being OK for some and not for others is the point at which logic flies out the window and we slam in to the realm of yet another double standard. You cannot have your cake and eat it too.

It is one or the other. It has to be. It is either OK to say or not OK to say, and this applies to ALL, not some.

[thomez]

Originally Posted by 7960

call it PC or whatever you want.........chris rock is black, he gets to call them that

ya, that's the black attitude, and I find it hilarious

Chris Rock does his "black people vs niggers" skit and they all fall on the floor laughing about how hilariously right he is, how black people hate niggers, but the minute a white dude sees someone acting that same exact way and calls him a nigger, the world is coming to an end and we need to strengthen affirmative action

give me a fucking break with the double standards

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by Thomas Crown

Perhaps you should do some research on the enslavement and murder of Irish immigrants in the late 1700's to early 1900's in the west and north east of the US.

You mean these Irish?

New York Draft Riots - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yes, I did miss the large scale enslavement of the Irish people in the early 20th century, i missed all the pictures of the slave auctions in Boston of Irish men and women

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by Thomas Crown

Let me try to break this down for you one more time.

Let's assume the worst for a moment and operate under the assumption that nigger is the worst word ever.

If this is the case, then it is not ok for ANYONE to use. But the moment it starts being OK for some and not for others is the point at which logic flies out the window and we slam in to the realm of yet another double standard. You cannot have your cake and eat it too.

It is one or the other. It has to be. It is either OK to say or not OK to say, and this applies to ALL, not some.

False dichotomy, if say, you didn't have one leg, and over the years you and your sister bond and she kinds around and calls you "gimpy" and you laughingly say shes mean but she still kids around about and its ok

Then you're at your job and some new employee walks up and says "hey, whats up you gimp?"

You think its the same?

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by thomez

ya, that's the black attitude, and I find it hilarious

Chris Rock does his "black people vs niggers" skit and they all fall on the floor laughing about how hilariously right he is, how black people hate niggers, but the minute a white dude sees someone acting that same exact way and calls him a nigger, the world is coming to an end and we need to strengthen affirmative action

give me a fucking break with the double standards

I guess you don't remember that there was a controversy over that Rock skit, like what a DECADE ago? But anyway, there was still was a controvery, and he was black

[7960]

Originally Posted by Thomas Crown

It is the attitude that this is OK is the problem. Blacks (or anyone else for that matter) cannot have it both ways. It is either a slur, or an adjective. If one can say it, all can say it. The more we allow this double standard to stand, the more we say it is ok for double standards in general.

It's already been said and someone already called it a weak apologist's view so it's not worth saying again, but wtf I'll say it again............. a white person using the word nigger has a completely different meaning than a black person using it. Blacks (in the US) never systematically owned, bought, sold, or killed "niggers." Whites did.

You ever wonder why cracka, honkey, casper, etc don't bother white people? Because they don't come with any implied threat. Nobody in power ever used that word and then owned, bought, sold, or killed whites.

Yes I realized that this owning, buying, selling, and killing hasn't happened in a long time, but in reality it's been less than 40 years since there was *extremely* widespread injustice and racism (ignoring the pockets that still exist today). There are many blacks alive today who were seriously fucked over by "the man" for no reason other than racism. If we were starting *today* then it'd be a different story. Nigger and cracka would have the same weight. But we're not starting today, nigger has a history, and it wasn't a pretty one.

Lastly (I know I'm rambling but I also don't care because I know your'e going to pick one sentence and say "this is the problem" and ignore the bigger message) I also understand that kids today have no "right" to get pissed when they hear the word, but they do. IMO that comes from a combination of ignorance, entitlement, and a desire to "own" a word that "white people" can't use. They fly way off the deep end when a white person uses it because they think a white person isn't supposed to use it and (in their view) it shows disrespect. In that way it's not much different than if you stare at a black guy on a bus or on the street.......to you it's staring, to him it's disrespect. To you it's a reason to ignore him or get up and move, to him it's a reason to fight.

Now ignore everything I said but keep one thing in mind.....*you* do not get to choose what pisses someone else off. So you can sit that and rationalize how "a word is a word" all you want, but if it pisses him off you better run.

[Thorgrim]

Well now its pretty easy to spot the people completely out of touch with the outside world, because let me tell you, I am REALLY sure you guys are having this same conversation with your black friends

"oh looks, its the internet, I can be all e-cool and pretend im so anti-PC I can say whatever hateful things I want"

[7960]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Well now its pretty easy to spot the people completely out of touch with the outside world, because let me tell you, I am REALLY sure you guys are having this same conversation with your black friends

I grew up, among other places, on a military base in virginia.

Any person who believes "nigger is just a word" contains so much ignorance it violates the laws of physics.

[thomez]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

I guess you don't remember that there was a controversy over that Rock skit, like what a DECADE ago? But anyway, there was still was a controvery, and he was black

sweet, I don't really care

if black people can use a word to describe a certain person and their behavior, white people can use it for the same thing

if you don't want it used at all, don't fucking say it either

[7960]

Originally Posted by thomez

if black people can use a word to describe a certain person and their behavior, white people can use it for the same thing

if you don't want it used at all, don't fucking say it either

in a perfect world, I'd be all for it........... but this world isn't perfect, people aren't perfect, and if you're lucky this idea will only get the shit kicked out of you when you say it in a bar in the city.

[thomez]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Well now its pretty easy to spot the people completely out of touch with the outside world, because let me tell you, I am REALLY sure you guys are having this same conversation with your black friends

"oh looks, its the internet, I can be all e-cool and pretend im so anti-PC I can say whatever hateful things I want"

I don't say nigger, I never have - but if the black community is going to get all up in arms about it being used, don't use it on a daily basis. This is simple.

[7960]

Originally Posted by thomez

sweet, I don't really care

if black people can use a word to describe a certain person and their behavior, white people can use it for the same thing

if you don't want it used at all, don't fucking say it either

Oh, and don't think we missed the part of the conversation where:

you : chris rock said it
reply: ...and there was controversy over it
you : sweet, I don't really care


wait, uhh........you just got called on your own example and now you don't care?

[thomez]

Originally Posted by 7960

Oh, and don't think we missed the part of the conversation where:

you : chris rock said it
reply: ...and there was controversy over it
you : sweet, I don't really care


wait, uhh........you just got called on your own example and now you don't care?

there was probably contraversy in the same way there was contraversy about what Bill Cosby said. Getting called out doesn't seem to go over well in the black community.

[avsp]

Originally Posted by Thomas Crown

It is the attitude that this is OK is the problem. Blacks (or anyone else for that matter) cannot have it both ways. It is either a slur, or an adjective. If one can say it, all can say it. The more we allow this double standard to stand, the more we say it is ok for double standards in general.

Blacks (or any other ethnic grouping) do, of course, all think alike & have identical views to one another.

[motivez]

I've cleaned up the thread a bit so that discussion can continue without the provocation and insinuations, and I know some reputation has been left by people accordingly, so thanks for using it.

Comments in this thread need to be less hostile and on topic rather than aimed at other members. I don't want to lock it, but I will if things continue down the same path they were on.