Michael Richards (Kramer) uses N-bomb and slurs during Comedy Routine

[lew]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Well now its pretty easy to spot the people completely out of touch with the outside world, because let me tell you, I am REALLY sure you guys are having this same conversation with your black friends

"oh looks, its the internet, I can be all e-cool and pretend im so anti-PC I can say whatever hateful things I want"

I've called various blacks niggers.


I've also called various whites niggers. I've also called both whites and blacks assholes, dumbfucks, and a thousand other insults.


People should grow the fuck up. If people want to be offended over a fucking word, so be it. But I'll say whatever I want. And if you want to beat my ass for it, go ahead. I'll sue. And I'll win.

[6SpeedTA95]

Originally Posted by lew

I've called various blacks niggers.


I've also called various whites niggers. I've also called both whites and blacks assholes, dumbfucks, and a thousand other insults.


People should grow the fuck up. If people want to be offended over a fucking word, so be it. But I'll say whatever I want. And if you want to beat my ass for it, go ahead. I'll sue. And I'll win.

Calling someone a nigger would probably be considered a hate crime in many states, so you'd lose

[lew]

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

Calling someone a nigger would probably be considered a hate crime in many states, so you'd lose

Then he can countersue for the "hate crime."

But in the assault example, I'd win.

[motivez]

You're saying it's "just a word" like specific words don't have specific definitions or histories.. context of what a word means in the populations lexicon should be taken into account when using words.

To not makes no sense. Why wouldn't a black person be offended by being called that considering its historical use as a racial slur?

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by lew

I've called various blacks niggers.


I've also called various whites niggers. I've also called both whites and blacks assholes, dumbfucks, and a thousand other insults.


People should grow the fuck up. If people want to be offended over a fucking word, so be it. But I'll say whatever I want. And if you want to beat my ass for it, go ahead. I'll sue. And I'll win.

It's pretty hard to win a lawsuit when you don't have a name to charge

and if you think its partially cool that you called black people "niggers"...what am i supposed to say... that almost every american would think you are a racist

but i guess your response is going to be "i dont care, i do what a want"

[7960]

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

Calling someone a nigger would probably be considered a hate crime in many states, so you'd lose

just calling someone a nigger is a hate crime?

or calling him a nigger while you kick him turns it from assault into a hate crime?




I could be wrong, but I don't think just yelling nigger is a hate crime.

[6SpeedTA95]

Originally Posted by 7960

just calling someone a nigger is a hate crime?

or calling him a nigger while you kick him turns it from assault into a hate crime?




I could be wrong, but I don't think just yelling nigger is a hate crime.

I agree with you, but I doubt seriously the california courts especially the 9th circuit would agree, thats the point i was trying to make.

[lew]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

It's pretty hard to win a lawsuit when you don't have a name to charge

and if you think its partially cool that you called black people "niggers"...what am i supposed to say... that almost every american would think you are a racist

but i guess your response is going to be "i dont care, i do what a want"

I didn't say it was "cool" to call people niggers.

[lew]

Originally Posted by motivez

You're saying it's "just a word" like specific words don't have specific definitions or histories.. context of what a word means in the populations lexicon should be taken into account when using words.

To not makes no sense. Why wouldn't a black person be offended by being called that considering its historical use as a racial slur?

A black person can be offended. That's fine.


What is hypocritical is certain black people being offended by it, and then using the term themselves.

[Thomas Crown]

THe long and short of it is that it is a hypocritical double standard. It exists, we acknowledge this, we are simply saying that it is wrong.

[7960]

Originally Posted by Thomas Crown

THe long and short of it is that it is a hypocritical double standard. It exists, we acknowledge this, we are simply saying that it is wrong.

Of course it's a double standard. I can't say nigger without it being racist. But then again my kid can go to an expensive university and people will not automatically assume he's there on some race-based scholarship. Double standards everywhere.

[Diamond Cross]

This article is a year old but has some indirect bearing on this thread:

When will Democrats denounce Harry Reid's idiotic and racist comments?


The first time I asked this question way back in December (What Would the Democrats be Screaming?), I pointed out the not so subtle slurs and distortions being made by liberal Democrats regarding conservative Republicans who happen to be black. Back then, Harry Reid said of Justice Clarence Thomas:

I think that he has been an embarrassment to the Supreme Court. I think that his opinions are poorly written. I don't--I just don't think that he's done a good job as a Supreme Court justice.

Last Saturday, in an appearance at a Las Vegas high school, and as reported by the Las Vegas Review-Journal, Senator Reid had this to say about another prominent black jurist:

He described California Supreme Court Justice Janice Rogers Brown, one of the Bush nominees Republicans will probably float first for approval, as an African-American opposed by the Congressional Black Caucus.
"She is a woman who wants to take us back to the Civil War days," Reid said.

Take us back to the Civil War days?


Does Senator Reid mean to imply that Justice Janice Rogers Brown is in favor of returning to antebellum America? He must. Why else would he use that point in history? He could have said the 1940's or 1950's as a way of saying that she wants to reverse Roe v. Wade and Brown v. The Board Of Education. Or he could have said any date after 1896 to suggest her wanting to return to the separate but equal days of Plessy v. Ferguson. But instead, the esteemed Democratic Senator choose to say Civil War days. What else are we to infer from this other than that Senator Reid wants people to think that Janice Rogers Brown wants the country to return to the days of slavery? Is that right Senator Reid, or did you mean to imply something else? If so, what, and why haven't you made similar comments about any of the other, lighter complected judicial nominees?


I mean, really, what do most people think of when they hear the term Civil War? The war that ended slavery, right? (or as Chris would prefer, the war against the racists.) But some might try to say is that it was the war of states rights, so perhaps I'm mistaken. Perhaps Senator Reid meant to infer that Justice Brown would work to return us to a time of greater states rights. But given what is in the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution, that would actually be a good thing, wouldn't it Senator? You do know that one, don't you Harry?

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

No, I really don't think that's what you were implying... I think you meant that slavery thing. It's very interesting Senator that you think a black woman, born in the segregated South, a role model for all those born to prejudice and disadvantage, would actively work to take this country - and more importantly herself, her family, and her entire race - back to a world of slavery. If that is the case, then you sir are more of a idiot that I had previously thought. As James Taranto so wryly put it, you ...seems to have a problem with black jurists..., don't you?


Your idiotic and subtly racists comments about two of the most prominent and respected black jurists in the country, and your silence in the face of the racist rhetoric spewed by your liberal counterparts about Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, are a disgrace. I wonder when your political party, the self-proclaimed champions of diversity and tolerance, will begin to speak up about your intolerant and narrow-minded comments?

Needless to say, I'm not holding my breath.

The Black Republican: When will Democrats denounce Harry Reid's idiotic and racist comments?

The indirect bearing is being use to illustrate the partisan commonts in this thread. Things li8ke this often reveal other's personal bigotries and prejudices as well.

[Thorgrim]

This thread is not about Harry Reid...or any of the thousands of other people who have said things you can possibly construe as being racist

[Diamond Cross]

Yes it is.

This thread, and any thread like it is about people saying racist remarks and why it's okay for some but not for others, depending upon one's personal bigotries and prejudices.

After all, if it's not okay for one person to say it, why is it okay for another to say it?

George Carlin says context is important, but is it really?

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by Diamond Cross

Yes it is.

This thread, and any thread like it is about people saying racist remarks and why it's okay for some but not for others, depending upon one's personal bigotries and prejudices.

After all, if it's not okay for one person to say it, why is it okay for another to say it?

George Carlin says context is important, but is it really?

Go make a thread about George Carlin

[Diesel66]

Originally Posted by Diamond Cross

This article is a year old but has some indirect bearing on this thread:

When will Democrats denounce Harry Reid's idiotic and racist comments?


The first time I asked this question way back in December (What Would the Democrats be Screaming?), I pointed out the not so subtle slurs and distortions being made by liberal Democrats regarding conservative Republicans who happen to be black. Back then, Harry Reid said of Justice Clarence Thomas:

I think that he has been an embarrassment to the Supreme Court. I think that his opinions are poorly written. I don't--I just don't think that he's done a good job as a Supreme Court justice.

Last Saturday, in an appearance at a Las Vegas high school, and as reported by the Las Vegas Review-Journal, Senator Reid had this to say about another prominent black jurist:

He described California Supreme Court Justice Janice Rogers Brown, one of the Bush nominees Republicans will probably float first for approval, as an African-American opposed by the Congressional Black Caucus.
"She is a woman who wants to take us back to the Civil War days," Reid said.

Take us back to the Civil War days?

Did I miss the racism ?

[Diamond Cross]

This whole thread is about racism and its hypocrisy. This thread is so partisan it's not even funny.

[thatguyoverthere]

There's nothing quite so nauseating as white people discussing proper usage of the n-word!

Why don't we all take a moment and consider the words of someone who could be considered an authority on this subject?

Originally Posted by Richard Pryor

"From the moment we touched down at the small airport in Mombasa, I sensed something extraordinary. Through the jet lag, I knew something was different but couldn't articulate it. . . .

"The next day we went to Nairobi, where the sensation of being in Africa grew even stronger. Something was indeed different, exciting, alive, but radically so. . . .

"By the time I sat my ass down in the hotel lobby, I knew what I was feeling.

"'Jennifer,' I said," referring to his wife. "'You know what? There are no niggers here.'

"She glanced around the hotel lobby. It was full of gorgeous black people, like everyplace else we'd been. The only people you saw were black. At the hotel, on television, in stores, on the street, in the newspapers, at restaurants, running the government, on advertisements. Everywhere.

"'There are no niggers here,' I repeated. 'The people here, they still have their self-respect, their pride.'

"I left enlightened . . . I also left regretting ever having uttered the word 'nigger' on a stage or off it. It was a wretched word. Its connotations weren't funny, even when people laughed. To this day I wish I'd never said the word. I felt its lameness. It was misunderstood by people. They didn't get what I was talking about.

"Neither did I.

"I wished that I'd kept my mouth shut.

"But that was a hard thing to do. An impossible thing to do.

"It wasn't too late, though.

"And so I vowed never to say it again."