I'm against censorship. I'm disappointed the O.J. book has been cancelled. As offensive at it might be, it's no worse than "Mein Kampf." I'm for free speech. It's not what you can say, it's about what you choose to say. When a white person says the n-word casually, they show ...
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11-21-2006, 11:55 PM
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| Obama/Biden 2008 Liberal 
| I'm against censorship. I'm disappointed the O.J. book has been cancelled. As offensive at it might be, it's no worse than "Mein Kampf." I'm for free speech. It's not what you can say, it's about what you choose to say. When a white person says the n-word casually, they show how ignorant they are of the dehumanizing history of the word, and of the black people's history in America. It's classless, it's ignorant, it's cruel, it's not appropriate, no matter your race. Because some black people use it, doesn't make it okay. Two wrongs don't make a right. Black people shouldn't use it, white people shouldn't use it. It's like verbal spit. If you feel it's okay to use verbal spit, why not just use real spit too? Real spit is no more degrading to a black person than the n-word. Ah, what's the use? I can't argue anyone out of their deep seated racist animosity. Y'all may deny it, but to use and assert your right to use the n-word simply means you've refused to see someone's basic humanity because of the color of their skin. Besides, white and black animosity is SOOOO 1990's. | ||||
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11-21-2006, 11:57 PM
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| ..... your a worthless poster  Realist
| Originally Posted by thatguyoverthere But there was no censorship. 
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11-22-2006, 12:10 AM
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| One American Family at a Time.  Idealist The OC, California
| I do not use that word. But, I don't use it, because I don't feel like I have a reason to. However, because it is a word in our language, I do not think that the word is offlimits for anyone to use. I don't believe in off limits words in general. However, I do believe that if you choose to use a word, whether it is Nigger, or Kike, Or Homo, or any other adjective that has an aura of history and hate around it, you need to be prepared for a reaction to the choice of words. Michael Richards using that word, well, people weren't going to agree with it. And if you don't agree with him using it, then do with that what you will. But, personally, of all the words a person says in their lifetime, that one incident shouldn't taint his entire character. I have said many things, maybe not racial, but things about other people out of anger, and used who they are as people against them. Whether referring to them as retarded, foreigner, or whatever, they are words that are more importantly used as a means to hurt or to express anger, than they are to describe my own feelings about whatever or whoever I am talking about at the time. I believe context is very important, and his context was clear. He went off, and now he has to pay the price. That IS the ultimate price for using speech that people don't like, don't agree with, or want to be silienced. | ||||
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11-22-2006, 12:24 AM
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| Banned  Progressive Philadelphia, PA
| Originally Posted by 7960 because Kerry had nothing to do with race, it was an aside to someone on a point we had disagreed with in the past
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11-22-2006, 12:28 AM
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| ..... your a worthless poster Realist
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim kerry had nothing to do with this issue............ your slip is showing.
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11-22-2006, 01:03 AM
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| Obama/Biden 2008 Liberal
| I'm late to the party. I heard about it, but just now got finished watching the video and his apology on Letterman. Man, that video is some ugly shit. Very interesting though. Primal human behavior. It was very ugly though. I'm kinda surprised. Some revealing moments on Letterman too. Richards refers to black people twice as "Afro-Americans"; clearly revealing that the evolution of his thinking on race relations was stunted sometime around mid-May 1978. He also mentions Katrina and links personal racism with the war. Whatever, dude. His racism is there, just under the surface (I think he says "it shocks you... what lies beneath" or something like that) and it came boiling out onstage. He blew his top. Everyone's done it, and on that level I sympathize with him. The rest of us are just lucky we haven't been caught on camera. Racist attitudes were probably just part of his upbringing; he's probably not a hateful person in general, but who knows? A person carrying around a basic racial animosity like that must get inflammed several times a day, and it's bound to come out sooner or later. Richards most definitely showed his ugly side. | ||||
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11-22-2006, 02:01 AM
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| Last Starfighter  Independent Northern California
| Keep in mind that sometimes many people use humor to mask their hostility. | ||||
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11-22-2006, 02:15 AM
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| ..... your a worthless poster Realist
| Originally Posted by Diamond Cross "many a truth is said in jest"
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11-22-2006, 09:42 AM
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| "He does own the building."  Moderate
| I think it is unfair to label someone a racist for the use of the word without knowing their intention (not speaking directly about Richards). A white person using the N word in passing does not make them a racist. Racism is a feeling of hatred, not the use of a word. Actually, racism doesn't really have anything to do with hatred. They are indepent. Someone can be racist and be hateful, or one or the other. Racism is a general feeling of inequality or dislike (not the same as hatred). | ||||
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11-22-2006, 12:02 PM
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| Last Starfighter Independent Northern California
| I jusst can't agree to that. All racism is based on hate. However, what's important is how one acts upon the racism. For example, I knew one girl who was very racist but was against discrimination in the workplace, but she would never be friends and never socialise with them on a personal level. | ||||
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11-22-2006, 12:10 PM
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| Pinko Commie Bastard  Communist Moscow
| Originally Posted by Diamond Cross Stupid stereotypes are also racist, like... black people and fried chicken... that doesn't necessarily mean it is hateful.
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11-22-2006, 12:21 PM
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| Banned Progressive Philadelphia, PA
| Originally Posted by thomez Does that mean we should condone it or encourage it?
A certain golfer lost his advertising contract after making a comment about tiger woods and fried chicke...it was a joke Even though most people thougt it was a lame joke, people thought it was hateful language there is an argument it is necessarily hateful, because the stereotype demeans another race Saying blacks like cheap low-class food sounds hateful to me | ||||
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11-22-2006, 03:44 PM
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| Last Starfighter Independent Northern California
| Originally Posted by thomez I've never understood why Fried Chicken and watermelon have been considered racist. But I still don't agree. All racism does is cause harm in one way or the other.
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11-22-2006, 05:25 PM
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| One American Family at a Time. Idealist The OC, California
| Originally Posted by thomez
I don't think things like that are hateful. I think that although Americans come in all shapes and colors, the color you are can bring certain cultural traditions with it. Everyone is a stereotype, and there are reasons there are stereo types, Californian stereotypes, Black stereotypes, Mexican stereotypes, WOMAN stereo types....Southern Stereo types.... But, just because someone points one out, and it doesn't happen to apply to the individual, doesn't mean it has a hateful connotation. I think things like this get blown out of proportion. And now, the two hecklers, have a lawyer...because they were "offended". This is assinine. | ||||
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11-22-2006, 08:05 PM
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| Pinko Commie Bastard Communist Moscow
| I was agreeing with you... I don't necessarily think some of those stupid stereotypes are hateful either. | ||||
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11-23-2006, 07:58 AM
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| tyop speicalist Religion Moderator  Capitalist California
| Originally Posted by JaJae I disagree. A forced apology is not an apology at all. He should want to apologize, but if that type of conviction were present, then he wouldn't have said that stuff in the first place.
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11-24-2006, 01:53 PM
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| Originally Posted by Thorgrim
That is the modern problem. Everyone gets offended so easy, It isent that they honnestly get offended. Its that america trys to sift anything that people say to find a reason to sue people. America is very greedy and that shows even down to the minnor social slurs. I belive that the freedom of speech should get changed a alittle. To compensate for people looking for a quick buck. -Lock | ||||
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11-24-2006, 01:59 PM
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| Administrator  libertarian Oklahoma
| Originally Posted by lock Welcome to the board
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11-25-2006, 01:32 AM
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| ..... your a worthless poster Realist
| even more stupid than richards' yelling is Originally Posted by article So, "he called me nigger in a closed room so give me money" !??!?!? Aren't they proving his point?
And "captive"?!??! WTF.......they're seen on the video getting up and leaving. They were NOT captive! | ||||
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11-25-2006, 11:29 AM
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| helluo librorum The Lab Moderator  Humanist Chicago Suburbs
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