I remember after Joe Lieberman lost the primary, all the conservatives were trying to make Joe out to be a martyr, saying the Democrats were extreme, awful people for throwing him out on his ass because he disagrees with one issue. Well look at this: Lieberman refuses to close door ...
11-22-2006, 02:37 PM
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| Common Sense Conservative  Realist 
| Joe Lieberman is a douche I remember after Joe Lieberman lost the primary, all the conservatives were trying to make Joe out to be a martyr, saying the Democrats were extreme, awful people for throwing him out on his ass because he disagrees with one issue. Well look at this: Lieberman refuses to close door on switching parties - Boston.com The guy is now talking about becoming a Republican after he got elected. Gee...how awful of those Democrats for not endorsing a guy who's one step away from going to the other side.  | ||||
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11-22-2006, 02:44 PM
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| America Fuck Yea Election Moderator  Republican In Name Only
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11-22-2006, 02:54 PM
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| For those about to rock...  libertarian Atlanta, GA
| Originally Posted by SpicyMcVoodoo A simple "That is all" would have sufficed 
 Seriously though, it almost seems like he's seeing exactly what he can get away with before his constituants turn on him. After all this, he'll rape a baby and drown a kitten on national TV.
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11-22-2006, 03:03 PM
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| he's not talking about anything, he was just asked and refused to say it will never happen. I don't see what is so unreasonable about this. Lieberman is so far away from the typical repub's platform that it would be silly for him to switch IMO. | ||||
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11-22-2006, 03:37 PM
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| Banned - Self Imposed  Progressive Philadelphia, PA
| This isn't like Jeffords, Jeffords was abused by the WH and the Senate Leadership treated him like crap, and he was a liberal from Vermont Lieberman had Reid and others riding his sack during the primary, he got them to do carthweels for him and had the DSCC violate probably is sole principle: give money to the Democratic candidate He's just throwing temper tantrums because he knows only people like Lamont supporters will read it and he hopes he can upset them for all the work he had to do to get re-elected If he did switch, it would be the dumbest move and it would also prove all his critics right...for the next 50 years Democrats would primary challenge every moderate Democrat saying "hey he's gonna switch parties like Lieberman said he wouldn't and then did!" Nelson is much more likely to switch, and id bet he won't (although if judicial nominations come up hardcore he might be tempted) | ||||
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11-22-2006, 03:41 PM
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| Banned  Conservative Government is another way to say Better Than You
| Originally Posted by Phantom Exactly; he's already said that he doesn't owe Republicans anything. What makes anyone think he's going to become one? He just doesn't want to make asinine promises his party wants him to make. He's still doing what he should; basing his decisions on the issues, not the party.
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11-22-2006, 05:10 PM
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| Originally Posted by Phantom Yeah, basically the guy is publicly admitting he's Republican curious which is the entire reason he lost the primary. It's simply a validation from the horse's mouth that the primary voters were right. For a life long member of any party to say they won't rule out switching parties is a huge deal, although not a surprise in this case.
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11-22-2006, 07:33 PM
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| Political Genius  Republican Yorba Linda Ca.
| Originally Posted by Phantom
He is not going to become a Republican. In fact he is very much left to far left on all issues but National Security. Not even close to being a Zell Miller and he wont ever switch because he hopes the party will oneday return to it's Roosevelt/Kennedy roots.
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11-22-2006, 08:09 PM
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| Banned - Self Imposed Progressive Philadelphia, PA
| Originally Posted by RMNIXON The problem Republicans have is that they have so vilified democrats that when they do even a half-assed job, the american people are going to be completely shocked
"what i thought they were going to bring down civilization!?!?" Look at Jim Webb...he's the future of one part of the Democratic Party And he's damn impressive...the middle loves him and the left thinks he's intelligent and respectable Keep getting enough candidates like that we're going to get back to our 2/3rds majorities we enjoyed a few decades ago | ||||
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11-22-2006, 09:13 PM
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| Pinko Commie Bastard  Communist Moscow
| Originally Posted by SpicyMcVoodoo Did he give a time frame?
I would never rule out becoming a Democrat, a Republican, a Green party member, or a Libertarian party member because every party changes it's views on the issues. To rule out ever being the opposite is to ignore the history of the parties swapping positions on the issues, sometimes doing complete 180s Tony Hawk style.
__________________ Perhaps the sentiments contained in the preceding post, are not yet sufficiently favorable to procure them general favor; a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right, and raises at first a formidable outcry in defence of custom. But the tumult soon subsides. Time makes more converts than reason. - slightly modified from Common Sense, Thomas Paine, 1776 I am Ron Paul, Congressman from Texas... I am the champion of the Constitution.  | ||||
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11-22-2006, 09:47 PM
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| Political Genius Republican Yorba Linda Ca.
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim The record to date:
Failed nomination of Murtha. A quick run to the press to distance themselves from Rangel's draft. A potential bad choice on the Intelligence Committee as a handout to the very left Congressional Black Caucus. I await January to see these wonders?  | ||||
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11-22-2006, 11:21 PM
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| Originally Posted by thomez Then following that logic, why would you ever join a party in the first place? If you're an rugged independent thinker type, you might as well just be an independent and vote how you please.
When you join a party, you sacrifice some of your independence for the greater good. Political parties would be worthless if there was no unity among the members. You can't have it both ways, like Lieberman wants, using the party's resources and power for his own advantage by supposedly being part of it, and then having wavering loyalty to it on a variety of issues, not the least of which was the Iraq war. You might say, well, Lieberman is an independent now, so he can say whatever he wants. But he was acting and talking the exact same way when he was supposedly a Democrat. Good for him if he wants to be beholden to no one, but the Democrats were also under no obligation to support a guy who wasn't really supporting them. | ||||
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11-22-2006, 11:47 PM
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| Pinko Commie Bastard Communist Moscow
| Originally Posted by SpicyMcVoodoo You join a party that currently reflects your views. Either your views can change, or the party can change its stance on the issues, making it appealing to change parties. This happens every day. This is why leaving open the possibility of change makes a lot of sense.
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11-23-2006, 04:43 AM
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| Banned - Self Imposed Progressive Philadelphia, PA
| Originally Posted by RMNIXON Hoyer and Pelosi are fine, Pelosi had told Hoyer in advance she was going to back Murtha and he said that was fine...no bad blood...total exageration
No "running from the press" Rangel has his little idea and the Dem leadership says no...happens all the time in politics...no one cares except cable news programs with 24 hours to fill and online sources that publish every little thing that happens And now we are getting into "potential" bad choices? The only sure bad choice was Harman However, its nice to see that the Democrats haven't even been in office one day and you're attacking them already | ||||
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11-23-2006, 04:49 AM
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| Banned - Self Imposed Progressive Philadelphia, PA
| Originally Posted by thomez Yeah, so Russ Feingold should announce he might go Green
Cmon, we all know this is just him going on a power trip because everyone snickers behind his back because of two things: 1) He lost the democratic primary after trying to be a liberal for decades (and failing at helping his party as much as other Senators) Note he NEVER makes the list for top 10 senators from any non/bi partisan magazine 2) His 2004 presidential bid, which besides being laughable to begin with...he bragged that he was in a 3-way tie for third place in NH (which actually meant he was 5th when the results came in) He knows he has less than 2 years to do something major or else he will become completely irrelevant (Dems are almost guaranteed to pickup senate seats barring a disaster in 2008) and after 2008 presidential politics will be settled for 4 years and then look he'll be up for re-election when the next president is...by then he'll have no future | ||||
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