92 yr old woman resists police state, pays with her life

[Donkey®]

Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby

I wouldn't have placed as much blame on the officers if they were wearing uniforms.

"But Dreher said Wednesday that officers had a marked patrol vehicle in the street in front of the home, a uniformed officer in the yard, and the narcotics teams wore vests with "POLICE" marked clearly on the front and back."

[phreak]

Originally Posted by SpicyMcVoodoo

I could understand this if there's a spree of police impostor crimes in your immediate area. However, just the mere possibility that it "could" happen does not justify treating the police as if they were criminals. That would mean every time a woman is pulled over on a country road, she should start a slow speed chase into the nearest population center. Or in this case, every time the police force a door open to serve a warrant, you should open fire.

I don't know why you guys keep emphasizing the plain clothes thing either. I understand these cops were wearing bullet proof vests with "police" written on them. But even if they were wearing full uniforms, you guys would be making the same arguments, because sometimes criminals fake the uniform too.

You can think of all the hypotheticals to justify disregarding police authority, but in the end that leads to an unacceptable situation for all of society.

all your posts are dead on.

its sad that someone of you are actually blaming the police on this. from the articles i've read they were completely justified.

and what bothers me is... why did a 92 yr old woman have a firearm that was that quickly accessable? i would imagine that from the time the police announced their presence and then entered would have been very quick. and i seriously doubt a 92 yr old can move that fast. what was she afraid of to be able to grab a gun that quickly?

[phreak]

Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby

I wouldn't have placed as much blame on the officers if they were wearing uniforms.

i hope you do realize the officers who are not typically patrolmen don't wear uniforms.

[lew]

Originally Posted by SpicyMcVoodoo

Yes, they are the ultimate authority. That's how our society is set up. When the police have a warrant to search your home or arrest you, you don't get a say in the matter.



Well, never say never...I suppose if the police were corrupt or told you to kill someone, that'd be debatable. But not shooting 3 of them when they come to serve a valid warrant is no where near that.

Police are NOT the ultimate authority. No wonder you have such a skewed view on the police.

[AVengeance]

Originally Posted by lew

Police are NOT the ultimate authority. No wonder you have such a skewed view on the police.

There's no convincing people like that, until their authority figure does something unjust to them.

Police are not judges. Police are not lawyers. They do not KNOW THE LAW, they only ENFORCE IT. They get their orders, and they do their job, that is all. Why people have this god-view of cops I will never understand.

The whole "war on drugs" is what leads to garbage like this. I hear over and over in this thread "the police were justified" . The police officers were no doubt justified as individuals in defense of their lives, but you have to look at the deeper issue. The old woman was also justified in shooting invaders into her home. The warrant wasn't for her.

[phreak]

Originally Posted by AVengeance

Police are not judges. Police are not lawyers. They do not KNOW THE LAW, they only ENFORCE IT. They get their orders, and they do their job, that is all. Why people have this god-view of cops I will never understand.

[Diesel66]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

Because crime only happens in between the hours of 9am and 5pm?

Not at that house.



Enforcing the warrant at 4 am got three policemen shot and a innocent woman killed.

Originally Posted by phreak

all your posts are dead on.

its sad that someone of you are actually blaming the police on this. from the articles i've read they were completely justified.

and what bothers me is... why did a 92 yr old woman have a firearm that was that quickly accessable? i would imagine that from the time the police announced their presence and then entered would have been very quick. and i seriously doubt a 92 yr old can move that fast. what was she afraid of to be able to grab a gun that quickly?

She lives in the ghetto. Like many people, she probally had a loaded gun on the nightstand.

[SpicyMcVoodoo]

Originally Posted by AVengeance

There's no convincing people like that, until their authority figure does something unjust to them.

If your authority figure does something unjust, then seek redress through the proper channels. We have a system of checks and balances. Don't shoot 3 police as they're serving a valid warrant and expect not to get shot yourself. It's really not that complicated if you let go of unrealistic libertarian wet dreams that you don't have to answer to anyone or follow anyone's rules but your own.

[SpicyMcVoodoo]

Originally Posted by Diesel66

Enforcing the warrant at 4 am got three policemen shot and a innocent woman killed.

It's more like a 92 year old woman possessing a deadly fire arm got 3 policemen shot and an innocent woman killed.

The only type of screening for firearms now is a criminal background check. There is no proof needed of physical or mental fitness. For all you know, this woman could have been half blind, half deaf and suffering from dementia. She may have been unfit to drive a car, let alone operate a killing machine.

Now this should be funny to hear you guys reactions now that I've brought up the bid bad "gun control" idea.

[Donkey®]

Originally Posted by Diesel66

Not at that house.



Enforcing the warrant at 4 am got three policemen shot and a innocent woman killed.

She shot 3 policemen serving a LEGAL warrant. That makes her FAR from innocent...un;ess shooting cops isn't a crime in your world? And on top of that, does anyone know if she even LEGALLY had that gun?

[lew]

Originally Posted by SpicyMcVoodoo

It's more like a 92 year old woman possessing a deadly fire arm got 3 policemen shot and an innocent woman killed.

The only type of screening for firearms now is a criminal background check. There is no proof needed of physical or mental fitness. For all you know, this woman could have been half blind, half deaf and suffering from dementia. She may have been unfit to drive a car, let alone operate a killing machine.

Now this should be funny to hear you guys reactions now that I've brought up the bid bad "gun control" idea.

She obviously was a pretty good shot - she shot all three men.

[lew]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

She shot 3 policemen serving a LEGAL warrant. That makes her FAR from innocent...un;ess shooting cops isn't a crime in your world? And on top of that, does anyone know if she even LEGALLY had that gun?

There's a proper way to serve a warrant. That wasn't an example of one.

[Diesel66]

Originally Posted by SpicyMcVoodoo

It's more like a 92 year old woman possessing a deadly fire arm got 3 policemen shot and an innocent woman killed.

The only type of screening for firearms now is a criminal background check. There is no proof needed of physical or mental fitness. For all you know, this woman could have been half blind, half deaf and suffering from dementia. She may have been unfit to drive a car, let alone operate a killing machine.

Now this should be funny to hear you guys reactions now that I've brought up the bid bad "gun control" idea.

how dare she try and protect herself when strangers break down her door at 4 in the morning.

So this half blind, half deaf woman managed to shoot three of Atlanta's finest before taken down. Guess if your view of her is correct, Atlanta needs new cops.

Originally Posted by Donkey®

She shot 3 policemen serving a LEGAL warrant. That makes her FAR from innocent...un;ess shooting cops isn't a crime in your world?

4am, door breaks down is more then enough legality.

And on top of that, does anyone know if she even LEGALLY had that gun?

Are you claiming she is a felon ?

[SpicyMcVoodoo]

Originally Posted by Diesel66

how dare she try and protect herself when strangers break down her door at 4 in the morning.

Okay, we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. You think it's okay to shoot the police when they enter your home to serve a valid warrant at 4 AM while announcing loudly they're the police.

Originally Posted by Diesel66

So this half blind, half deaf woman managed to shoot three of Atlanta's finest before taken down. Guess if your view of her is correct, Atlanta needs new cops.

I'm sorry, did you think it takes a Navy SEAL to start unloading on cops at close range and hit a few of them? If anything, the reason she even got the chance to shoot at them was because the cops were hesitant to open fire on an old woman.

This is really funny, actually. First you criticize the cops for even entering her home at 4am, and then you criticize them for not shooting her quickly enough. The poor police just can't win!

[Diesel66]

Originally Posted by SpicyMcVoodoo

Okay, we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. You think it's okay to shoot the police when they enter your home to serve a valid warrant at 4 AM while announcing loudly they're the police.

If someone breaks down your door, you have the right to self defense end of story.

I'm sorry, did you think it takes a Navy SEAL to start unloading on cops at close range and hit a few of them? If anything, the reason she even got the chance to shoot at them was because the cops were hesitant to open fire on an old woman.


This is really funny, actually. First you criticize the cops for even entering her home at 4am, and then you criticize them for not shooting her quickly enough. The poor police just can't win!

Are you reading my posts or someone' elses ?

Here is a crazy idea, no invade a home in the middle of the night and the body count will be lower. The guy they wanted to arrest that sold them drugs wasnt even there.


Surround the house, make sure that they know it is the police and they have a warrant. At least give them the chance to peacefully surrender and hopefully they take the option.

[MoTaVa]

Being 92 years old is NOT an indication of innocence, or guilt for that matter. I can tell you those officers identified themselves. I cant tell you that womans state of mind.
In a raid or sting operation, law enforcement has to be somewhat covert to avoid being spotted and the operations halted.
And where in the hell do you get police state? Have you ever been in a police state? A short visit to such a place would quickly teach you to respect the freedoms you have. Be thankful. There are far worse places on earth, but hardly any better than the United States of America.

[Diesel66]

Originally Posted by MoTaVa

Being 92 years old is NOT an indication of innocence, or guilt for that matter.

they were after a different guy that sold them drugs from that house. So unless some info comes out that pins her as the kingpin we can assume "innocent"

[SpicyMcVoodoo]

Originally Posted by Diesel66

If someone breaks down your door, you have the right to self defense end of story.

It's only the end of the story in your la la land where police don't have the right to execute valid search warrants. But again, you've closed off your ears to reality and keep spouting your libertarian ideals as if they were law. There's no point in arguing with you further on this matter.

Originally Posted by Diesel66

Here is a crazy idea, no invade a home in the middle of the night and the body count will be lower. The guy they wanted to arrest that sold them drugs wasnt even there.

Here's a crazy idea: the police had a reason for going into the home at 4am, and they had every right to do so under their valid search warrant.

You think the police want to break people's doors down at 4am and risk their lives? If there's a way around that, they'll do it. But again, that's in reality...in your "police state" delusions the police LOVE to break into people's houses in the dead of night and kill them, and at the moment of the killing, they all have hardons, giving each other high fives and smiling widely as they welcome the coming of the new world order.

Originally Posted by Diesel66

Surround the house, make sure that they know it is the police and they have a warrant. At least give them the chance to peacefully surrender and hopefully they take the option.

They were trying to bust a drug dealer. Drug dealers flush their shit down the toilet if you give them plenty of time to realize you're there to find their drugs. That's probably why they broke down the door in the first place.

[Diesel66]

Originally Posted by Spic