92 yr old woman resists police state, pays with her life

[Donkey®]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

It must suck when all those surgeons performing nasal and lacrimal duct surgery lose their patients because their hearts stop. You'd think they'd use something other than cocaine since it happens as often as you say.

I never said anything about how often it happens. I said it can happen because of the nature of cocaine and what it does to a person physiologically.

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

I never said anything about how often it happens. I said it can happen because of the nature of cocaine and what it does to a person physiologically.

That's frankly irrelevant then, isn't it? Quite a bit 'can happen'.

[Donkey®]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

That's frankly irrelevant then, isn't it? Quite a bit 'can happen'.

When taken in the context of the conversation, no, it isn't.

[Dumpy Dooby]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

When taken in the context of the conversation, no, it isn't.

You could slip and fall on a pencil and get a piece of graphite lodged into your heart. Should we label pencils as "dangerous"?

You could have an allergic reaction to someone's flowers and go into respiratory arrest. Should we label flowers as "dangerous"?

You could have a pinecone fall from a pine tree and bust open your dome. Should we label pine trees as "dangerous"?

Again, a lot could happen, and your point is ridiculously irrelevant.


It's this type of "Big Brother" thinking that comes up with the most ridiculous laws ranging anywhere from the seatbelt law to the Patriot Act. It's this type of thinking that has us walking on eggshells and jumping through hoops just to get on a fucking airplane.

[Donkey®]

Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby

You could slip and fall on a pencil and get a piece of graphite lodged into your heart. Should we label pencils as "dangerous"?

You could have an allergic reaction to someone's flowers and go into respiratory arrest. Should we label flowers as "dangerous"?

You could have a pinecone fall from a pine tree and bust open your dome. Should we label pine trees as "dangerous"?

Again, a lot could happen, and your point is ridiculously irrelevant.


It's this type of "Big Brother" thinking that comes up with the most ridiculous laws ranging anywhere from the seatbelt law to the Patriot Act. It's this type of thinking that has us walking on eggshells and jumping through hoops just to get on a fucking airplane.

Sigh. Accidents are not relevant to the discussion.

[Dumpy Dooby]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

Sigh. Accidents are not relevant to the discussion.

Oh, but your example of one dose causing heart attack is?

You're wrong, Donkey. Cocaine, if taken appropriately, is not dangerous at all.

[Diamond Cross]

Oh baloney. I've already proven that to be wrong.

Cocaine destroys lives, directly and indirectly.

[Donkey®]

Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby

Oh, but your example of one dose causing heart attack is?

Yes. Cocaine has a SPECIFIC EFFECT ON THE BODY. A pencil does not affect your nervous system, heart or brain.

Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby

You're wrong, Donkey. Cocaine, if taken appropriately, is not dangerous at all.

Again, you're 164% incorrect. You can keep repeating it...but it isn't going to all of a sudden become correct.

[Kytro]

Originally Posted by Diamond Cross

Oh baloney. I've already proven that to be wrong.

Cocaine destroys lives, directly and indirectly.

So do many other things. What is your point?

Banning drugs is ineffective and has no proven benefit whatsoever. just because something is undesirable does not mean that legislation should be used to make a point.

If banning it actually decreased usage and made more people safer then there might be an argument to support banning drugs. There is however no proven correlation between prohibition and reduction of harm.

[Kytro]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

Yes. Cocaine has a SPECIFIC EFFECT ON THE BODY. A pencil does not affect your nervous system, heart or brain.

Indeed it does, but going into cardiac arrest isn't a common response (or few people indeed would use the drug).

[Diamond Cross]

Cocaine is not enitrely banned however, and it is legal for medical doctors to administer use. According to this website it is a Schedule II drug:

DEA, Drug Information, Cocaine

[Dumpy Dooby]

Originally Posted by Diamond Cross

Cocaine is not enitrely banned however, and it is legal for medical doctors to administer use. According to this website it is a Schedule II drug:

DEA, Drug Information, Cocaine

This has already been mentioned, and I used it as a specific example for explaining how cocaine isn't INHERENTLY dangerous. If it were always dangerous, under all circumstances (hence, "inherently"), then it would not be used for medicinal purposes. Obviously, you guys are wrong when you say it's inherently dangerous because it's used in the medical industry. Furthermore, the usage in the medical industry is indicative that not only is it not necessarily dangerous, but it can also be beneficial.

[lew]

Originally Posted by Diamond Cross

Oh baloney. I've already proven that to be wrong.

Cocaine destroys lives, directly and indirectly.

Cocaine can destroy lives. So can cars, alcohol, tobacco, and a billion other things.


Why do people in this country hate choice so much?

[AVengeance]

Originally Posted by lew

Cocaine can destroy lives. So can cars, alcohol, tobacco, and a billion other things.


Why do people in this country hate choice so much?

Because the stupid masses can't choose anything for themselves. When they DO make a choice, they later regret it. Said regret can be avoided by

a) having no choice to make

b) the choice is someone else's responsibilty, so you blame THEM instead of YOURSELF

This is an unfortunate reality of the passified sheeple wandering around in the USA today. Every day I think more and more that once people "wake up" to what's going on around them, it'll just be too late.

[Donkey®]

It's funny that these people who claim cocaine is as safe as gum don't seem to use it themselves. I'd love to do an experiment and put you all on it for a week and see what happens.

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

It's funny that these people who claim cocaine is as safe as gum don't seem to use it themselves. I'd love to do an experiment and put you all on it for a week and see what happens.

Nobody said it was a safe as gum.

Heroin is 'safe' too when used properly, but it's very addictive. Nobody is using that either.

[MoTaVa]

Originally Posted by R-Type

You have no concern for the dead innocent? Those cops should be hung out to dry.. just like the ones who shot up that guy and his friends leaving a club after his bachelor party a few days ago (Mayor Calls 50 Shots by Police ‘Unacceptable’ - New York Times).

Almost everything a person does treads on others to some extent. I fail to see how cocaine is a special situation and other psychoactive/addictive drugs are not. If we reduce the cost of all this stuff to the point where it's affordable by making possession/use legal, then addicts will less likely need to steal to get it. This also eliminates the high profits inherent in drug trafficking because the industry doesn't have to evade law enforcement all the time. The fact is we've gotten SO maniacal about enforcing drug bans that the effects of it are net negatives for society.

Cocaine quite often makes people violent. Thats a fact, not an opinion. Say what you want friend, but cheap cocaine will not solve any problems, it will in fact make more. You fail to see how cocaine is a special case simply because you do not have the experience in dealing with addicts/victims/families.

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by MoTaVa

Say what you want friend, but cheap cocaine will not solve any problems, it will in fact make more.

I agree, I don't think legalizing any hardcore drugs will solve anything. We already have enough problems with alcohol and prescription drug abuse, both heavily regulated 'drugs'. Why add more to the mix?

[lew]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

It's funny that these people who claim cocaine is as safe as gum don't seem to use it themselves. I'd love to do an experiment and put you all on it for a week and see what happens.

No one said it is safe. I've said it should be legal. Just because something should be legal doesn't mean it's safe.