Originally Posted by Diesel66 read and learn please . Image Archive on the American Eugenics Movement Eugenics ISAR - Brief History of European and American Eugenics Movements Life Stories Wow, a bunch of links I've already seen I still don't see an overwhelming scientific consensus, I see some conservatives with ...
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11-25-2006, 10:57 PM
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| Banned - Self Imposed  Progressive Philadelphia, PA 
| Originally Posted by Diesel66 Wow, a bunch of links I've already seen I still don't see an overwhelming scientific consensus, I see some conservatives with doctors who are guesstimating and in many cases based on little to no scientific data...thats not science There were a lot of snobby rich white doctors in America, I get it, that doesn't mean science is prone to failure, or there are "millions of examples" | ||||
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11-26-2006, 02:26 PM
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| Junkie  Conservative Party
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim
 please do some actual reading into the subject. US and Europe was swept into the bs that started in the late 1800s (springboarded off of Darwin's work and the first genetic studies) | ||||
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11-26-2006, 02:49 PM
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| Banned - Self Imposed Progressive Philadelphia, PA
| Originally Posted by Diesel66 Popularity of the people != serious scientific work and overwhelming consensus on agreeing with that work
PS you've still only pointed out a POSSIBLE one, you said there were millions, I am waiting on at least 1,999,999 more examples | ||||
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11-26-2006, 02:53 PM
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| Junkie Conservative Party
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim Again read. The entire scientific minds of Europe and the US backed it. Major universities backed it.
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11-26-2006, 03:22 PM
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| Banned - Self Imposed Progressive Philadelphia, PA
| I showed an test, which you have yet to resolve, of why malaria didn't spike in certain places there was good science behind the anti-DDT movement, just because companies decicded to take some cheap alternatives rather than research, and those have had a mixed effect on malaria, does not mean Science was wrong Scientists report the science, politicians make the remedies | ||||
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11-26-2006, 03:54 PM
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| Political Genius  Republican Yorba Linda Ca.
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim Why didn't the Black Plague spike in certain places? Not knowing the full scope of cause and effect does not negate the solid results that you do know and can be proved and tested.
__________________ Sock It To Me!  "Bureaucracy is a Parasite that Preys on Free Thought and Suffocates Free Spirit!" - Douglas Adams | ||||
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11-26-2006, 04:07 PM
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| Political Genius Republican Yorba Linda Ca.
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim Not at all. Scientist are subject to bias just as much as anyone else. Most often it is because they are prejudice to certain current scientific thinking on a subject. They resist major changes to the consensus. And I have no doubt that the bias can also be political considering the political climate at most major universities. There is solid eveidence for climate change and good evidence for some current change. But the wide interpretations of cause and future computer models are not on such solid footing. If you don't understand the difference you don't know shit about good science. The entire environmental movement is filled with political posturing. I am not going to trust this bandwagon any more than I would trust the tobacco companies to tell me the dangers of smoking. I think this is a serious issue. So much that I know the anti-capitalism elements of the far left who now worship the "science of their needs" may hurt the very cause they claim to champion. It would be like ignoring the poor lot of abandoned pets just because PETA act like nut cases!
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11-26-2006, 05:11 PM
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| Junkie Conservative Party
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim Chaos theory. Really think that every place on earth is going to react the exact same ?
your line of thinking is responsible for the reactionary bs behind cancer clusters. OMG there is a cluster, something near by must be causing it. Want proof ? Take a handful of coins and throw them on your bed. Do they land evenly spread out ? or in clusters here and there.
Commat.org - WHO gives indoor use of DDT a clean bill of health for controlling malaria WHO backing DDT. Want more examples of bs science ? Silicone implants Cancer clusters power lines being dangerous All of these food scares. One day they recommend eggs next day they say eggs will kill you. | ||||
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11-26-2006, 07:11 PM
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| Banned - Self Imposed Progressive Philadelphia, PA
| The EPA is not the scientific community Silicone implants was an immediate political and legal reaction, science was actually on top because they started studying immediately and concluded in due time (yes, it did take several years) what the circumstances were Cancer clusters never came to a hard conclusion involving the world's scientific community power lines? well I think we all know live power lines are dangerous, unless you are talking about some world wide movement backed by all scientists to remove powerlines from the face of the earth "Food scares"? You mean conflicting studies? That happens in fields that are relatively knew and are underfunded...I don't know how you could possibly think there is any sort of scientific consensus...you have the vegetarian diet battling the low-carb diet battling the low-fat diet battling...etc etc You can't just see a new study come out and assume that one university team of a few doctors speaks for the entire world's scientific community | ||||
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11-26-2006, 07:42 PM
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| Baka  Idealist Adelaide, Australia
| Science gets things wrong. No doubt about it. Sometimes small things, other times larger and more significant things. The thing is science can change and move on if something is dis-proven, something people taking an idealogical approach have trouble with. There is evidence to indicate that the activities of man do indeed contribute to global warming. It may not be correct, but there is some evidence to indicate it, and this is above an beyond known causes. | ||||
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11-26-2006, 08:40 PM
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| Junkie Conservative Party
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim Dow Corning going bankrupt from the lawsuits based on nothing = oops.
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11-26-2006, 10:27 PM
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| Banned - Self Imposed Progressive Philadelphia, PA
| I thought actual science was full of a million errors, now you are saying there are two types of sciences? | ||||
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11-27-2006, 02:41 AM
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| Junkie Conservative Party
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim scientists are just as affected by political bs as everyone else. Notice how the masses refused to stand up and fight the silicone breast implant issue ? Even when there was absoluty no link between them. Dont know if they were scared of losing funding, scared of being labeled a industry stooge or if they actually bought into the psuedoscience.
Once a major organization decides something is fact, anyone who dares to rebutt it is pushed to the fringes. No funding, laughed out of conferences, labeled industry stooge, etc.... Go to a university or govt organization and tell them you want to study the global cooling effect we are about to experience (and might have already started) and you wont get a dime. Mention man made global warming and you get all the money in the world. Which is correct ?  but neither have any real science behind them. Climate isnt linear it is random. | ||||
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