Originally Posted by lew Oh, I completely agree. However, that in NO WAY means "freedom from religion." nor does saying they were christian mean they necessarily disregarded the idea of freedom from religion. so now that we can agree their status as christians tells us nothing about freedom from vs. ...
12-05-2006, 05:30 PM
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| Originally Posted by lew nor does saying they were christian mean they necessarily disregarded the idea of freedom from religion. so now that we can agree their status as christians tells us nothing about freedom from vs. of religion, all we're left with is what they said and their writings, a lot of which evidenced a distrust of organized religion, which makes is quite plausible they envisioned freedom from religion. 
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12-05-2006, 05:52 PM
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| Originally Posted by SpicyMcVoodoo
Wrong. You're right in that we can go on their writings - much of which is hostile to organized church controlled government. Such as what was in Europe. They were not hostile to religious beliefs or practices. Only religious control of government. They were not for "freedom from religion" since most were religious. | ||||
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12-05-2006, 05:59 PM
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| helluo librorum The Lab Moderator  Humanist Chicago Suburbs
| Originally Posted by lew So everyone is free to pracitce their religion, but i'm not free from having the practice forced on me?
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12-05-2006, 06:04 PM
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur.  Reform Party NJ
| Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent Someone is forcing you to practice a religion? Who is this person, I'd like to meet them.
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12-05-2006, 06:29 PM
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| America Fuck Yea Election Moderator  Republican In Name Only
| Originally Posted by JaJae ohsnap.gif
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12-05-2006, 06:32 PM
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| Anti-War, Anti-State, Pro-Free Market Capitalist
| Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent 404 forcing not found
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12-05-2006, 06:44 PM
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| Originally Posted by Thorgrim Then you would have equal rights to celebrate it.
But the ACLU is against even mentioning religion in public. | ||||
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12-05-2006, 06:46 PM
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| helluo librorum The Lab Moderator Humanist Chicago Suburbs
| Originally Posted by JaJae When my tax money pays for a religious celebration, i'm forced into practicing that religion.
I wonder what you guys would say if a city had a Islamic festival on public land and payed for by public money? | ||||
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12-05-2006, 06:54 PM
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| Braccae tuae aperiuntur. Reform Party NJ
| Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent Really, so when I pay tax dollars that go towards the support of Israel I'm "forced into practicing" Judaism?
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12-05-2006, 07:00 PM
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| Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent But remember the ACLU is against even allowing religious groups equal access to public land. Now how is that right ?
Boy Scouts/Church picnics are banned from city parks but anyother group can use the same park. | ||||
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12-05-2006, 07:09 PM
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| I did need this entertainment.  It reminds me of the recent stoty about PETA going after what a church posted on their web page as a "living" nativity! Abusive exploitation of animals! It turned out that the church was not planning the use of live animals, so none were "harmed" in that Nativity! 
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12-05-2006, 07:14 PM
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| helluo librorum The Lab Moderator Humanist Chicago Suburbs
| Originally Posted by JaJae No, you are being forced to support Israel.
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12-05-2006, 07:14 PM
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| helluo librorum The Lab Moderator Humanist Chicago Suburbs
| Originally Posted by Diesel66 Good.
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12-05-2006, 07:34 PM
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| Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent
Elimination of taxes would take care of this.  | ||||
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12-05-2006, 07:47 PM
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| Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent Have you read the 1st admendment ?
The govt cannot infringe on my religious beliefs. If they banned a black group or a gay group it would be illegal discrimination, so how is it good to ban a group of people with a religious belief ? And dont use the argument that the Boy scouts are discriminatory themselves because every club is discrimnatory | ||||
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12-05-2006, 07:47 PM
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| Originally Posted by JaJae The founders who held communists beliefs did so in their youth when they had little to no knowledge of how STALINIST soviet russia worked
When outside information was finally recieved, that sort of communist was roundly rejected, the founder himself wrote a book: A New Slavery (describing communism and its horrors) When communism first broke out, it was a fascinating idea, and youths were certainly attracted to it, even today the idea of it working its very enticing, almost everyone would love to live in a TRUE communist state...because as described its utopia To say how that is some sort of ACLU support for stalinism...its ridiculous | ||||
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12-05-2006, 07:51 PM
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| Originally Posted by Thorgrim
 work your ass off for the same amount of reward as a guy that does nothing is a utopia ? | ||||
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12-05-2006, 07:59 PM
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| Banned - Self Imposed Progressive Philadelphia, PA
| Originally Posted by Diesel66 you should make another thread about this...but its like charity work (its fun!) you don't do it for the "reward" you do it for the betterment of man and for respect...not for "cash"
Working your ass off for some more pieces of paper being thrown your way, sounds like what someone would say to debase a stripper You want a way to look at it, most people I've met (conservatives and liberals) would love to live in the TNG Federation, which clearly is a communist utopia | ||||
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12-05-2006, 08:02 PM
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| Originally Posted by Thorgrim
The Federation had a money standard - Federation Credits.  | ||||
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12-05-2006, 08:07 PM
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| Originally Posted by lew You have to look at the the real view of the federation was, ala GR, who laid the work for the episode where its explained to Mark Twain what the Federation is really about...and there are no "federation credits"
DS9, some others...move in the direction of some form of currency in SOME limited situations but...you really should make another thread about this we're going to take this topic ridiculousy...offtopic | ||||
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