Undercover FBI Agents arrest terrorist

[Donkey®]

Originally Posted by JaJae

Even by that definition...

So by your definition, the kids at Columbine were terrorists?

[JaJae]

It really depends. Based on this situation where you have a guy who planned on targeting Jews and government buildings and made video tapes where he calls himself "talib abu salam ibn shareef" he called on other "believers to join his jihad."
WIFR | A Play By Play Of Derrick Shareef's Bomb Attack

I think there's a clearcut difference between the two cases. One occurred post 9/11 and the other did not. However, I don't think it would necessarily be wrong to classify the Columbine shooters as terrorists and I don't think it would be wrong to say they weren't. However calling them "domestic terrorists", but saying they're not also the term "terrorist" is very confusing to me.

It's like saying "I have a killer whale", but it's wrong to say it's a "whale." It's taking a classified faction and saying it's not part of the greater whole. I don't understand how the two can be separated.

[Donkey®]

Originally Posted by JaJae

It really depends. Based on this situation where you have a guy who planned on targeting Jews and government buildings and made video tapes where he calls himself "talib abu salam ibn shareef" he called on other "believers to join his jihad."
WIFR | A Play By Play Of Derrick Shareef's Bomb Attack

I think there's a clearcut difference between the two cases. One occurred post 9/11 and the other did not. However, I don't think it would necessarily be wrong to classify the Columbine shooters as terrorists and I don't think it would be wrong to say they weren't. However calling them "domestic terrorists", but saying they're not also the term "terrorist" is very confusing to me.

It's like saying "I have a killer whale", but it's wrong to say it's a "whale." It's taking a classified faction and saying it's not part of the greater whole. I don't understand how the two can be separated.

Since we're stuck on that term I threw out...using the term "domestic terrorist" would be a STRETCH at best. I was reluctant to use it because this "case" seems to ME to be no more than one random crazy guy with stupidity as a religion. Would the term "terrorist" have been used if he wasn't muslim? Highly doubtful. The Columbine kids weren't "terrorists" either. Just stupid kids.

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

Would the term "terrorist" have been used if he wasn't muslim? Highly doubtful.

Why not?

Timothy McVeigh is: Timothy James McVeigh (April 23, 1968 – June 11, 2001) was an American terrorist convicted of eleven federal offenses and ultimately executed as a result of his role in the April 19, 1995 Oklahoma City bombing.
Timothy McVeigh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Unibomber is: Theodore John "Ted" Kaczynski (born May 22, 1942), also known as the Unabomber, is a convicted terrorist best known for his campaign of mail bombings.
Theodore Kaczynski - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hell even the Animal Liberation Front is considered to be terrorists.
The ALF was named as a terrorist threat by the United States Department of Homeland Security in January 2005.
Animal Liberation Front - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Christians who murder abortionist doctors are considered terrorists:
Michael Frederick Griffin (born September 11, 1961) is a Christian terrorist who murdered Dr. David Gunn in Pensacola, Florida on March 11, 1993.
Michael F. Griffin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The KKK is often referred to as a terrorist group...
These organizations have often used terrorism, violence and acts of intimidation such as cross burning to oppress African Americans and others.
Ku Klux Klan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The list goes on and on...

[Donkey®]

Originally Posted by JaJae

Why not?

Timothy McVeigh is: Timothy James McVeigh (April 23, 1968 – June 11, 2001) was an American terrorist convicted of eleven federal offenses and ultimately executed as a result of his role in the April 19, 1995 Oklahoma City bombing.
Timothy McVeigh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Unibomber is: Theodore John "Ted" Kaczynski (born May 22, 1942), also known as the Unabomber, is a convicted terrorist best known for his campaign of mail bombings.
Theodore Kaczynski - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hell even the Animal Liberation Front is considered to be terrorists.
The ALF was named as a terrorist threat by the United States Department of Homeland Security in January 2005.
Animal Liberation Front - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Christians who murder abortionist doctors are considered terrorists:
Michael Frederick Griffin (born September 11, 1961) is a Christian terrorist who murdered Dr. David Gunn in Pensacola, Florida on March 11, 1993.
Michael F. Griffin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The KKK is often referred to as a terrorist group...
These organizations have often used terrorism, violence and acts of intimidation such as cross burning to oppress African Americans and others.
Ku Klux Klan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The list goes on and on...

I didn't think you'd break out the whole "christian terrorists" argument...but you did.

Is this guy a terrorist?

Gunman, 3 others*die in Chicago office tower - CNN.com

On top of everything, the guy didn't even commit a terrorist act. He is "accused" of "planning" to place grenades (which he didn't possess) into mall trash cans. The difference between what you listed and this guy? The things you listed are groups...or members of groups that have actually committed acts of violence.

If this guy were a terrorist, wouldn't he actually be guilty of a terrorist act? If this guy were a terrorist, wouldn't he be targeting a particular group of victims as opposed to a random act of violence at the mall? The only reason the media and authorities are hyping this is because he is muslim. Period.

[AVengeance]

404 Terrorist not found.

Okay, he was trying to barter for grenades, and he didn't have a license to own them. I see that a crime has been committed, however I fail to see that it was that serious of a crime, since

1) he never actually had possesion of any grenades, live or otherwise

2) he did not actually commit a crime with grenades

3) he was acting alone, not as a part of a larger conspiracy (which is what all this "domestic surveilance" and other BS is supposed to find)

How was he found out about? Was he typing in searches on eBay looking for grenades, or what? How much of this is entrapment, aimed at justifying labeling Americans as terrorists?