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Ardentfrost · 08-02-2006, 06:39 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

If a foreign nation came in here and told us that we had to give up a third of what we considered 'our' country to Native American tribes, I'm quite sure many of you would feel no differently about the situation than most Arabs do about Israel and Palestine.

And vice versa. They ALL feel like they've been encroached upon. There is no innocent party.

kinggovernor · 08-02-2006, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

If a foreign nation came in here and told us that we had to give up a third of what we considered 'our' country to Native American tribes, I'm quite sure many of you would feel no differently about the situation than most Arabs do about Israel and Palestine.

that doesn't apply because it was never there land in the first place it belonged to Britain who split it up between the two groups

Ardentfrost · 08-02-2006, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

that doesn't apply because it was never there land in the first place it belonged to Britain who split it up between the two groups

I'm pretty sure this goes a little farther back than Britain

motivez · 08-02-2006, 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

that doesn't apply because it was never there land in the first place it belonged to Britain who split it up between the two groups

The history of the land is a lot longer than simply Britain, and even if so.. British line drawing skills suck. Look at Iraq.

kinggovernor · 08-02-2006, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by Ardentfrost

I'm pretty sure this goes a little farther back than Britain

so? no one has a historical right to any land anywhere

Ardentfrost · 08-02-2006, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

so? no one has a historical right to any land anywhere

And yet they still fight for it

motivez · 08-02-2006, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

so? no one has a historical right to any land anywhere

That's really not the point

Again, go back to my example. We wouldn't feel differently than they do.

kinggovernor · 08-02-2006, 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by motivez

That's really not the point

Again, go back to my example. We wouldn't feel differently than they do.

but it was never their land in the first place.

Ardentfrost · 08-02-2006, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

but it was never their land in the first place.

wtf are you talking about? Who bases who owns the land on who had it originally? That land has changed hands a LOT, and will most likely change hands more.

kinggovernor · 08-02-2006, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by Ardentfrost

And yet they still fight for it

and refuse to make any peace, I think Israel should really put an end to that

Ardentfrost · 08-02-2006, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

and refuse to make any peace, I think Israel should really put an end to that

Through ethnic cleansing?

Arabs have been there JUST as long as they have.

kinggovernor · 08-02-2006, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by Ardentfrost

wtf are you talking about? Who bases who owns the land on who had it originally? That land has changed hands a LOT, and will most likely change hands more.

His analogy was someone taking land away from the US and giving it to native americans. My point was that the land never belonged to the arabs, so nothing was ever taken away.

Right of return - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia but they both think they have a right to return

kinggovernor · 08-02-2006, 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by Ardentfrost

Through ethnic cleansing? Arabs have been there JUST as long as they have.

by making safety barriers for the security of their country.

Ardentfrost · 08-02-2006, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

by making safety barriers for the security of their country.

Barriers out of what? I mean, we're back to the Jon Stewart thing, the only hope is to do that internationally so that either side faces worldwide backlash if they continue bloodshed.

kinggovernor · 08-02-2006, 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by Ardentfrost

Barriers out of what? I mean, we're back to the Jon Stewart thing, the only hope is to do that internationally so that either side faces worldwide backlash if they continue bloodshed.

so violate the national sovereignty of a country that has tried to make peace because the other side refuses to. that is really fair.

they are going to make barriers out of southern lebanon, Golan heights, Sinai peninsula

Ardentfrost · 08-02-2006, 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

so violate the national sovereignty of a country that has tried to make peace because the other side refuses to. that is really fair.

they are going to make barriers out of southern lebanon, Golan heights, Sinai peninsula

Isreal TOOK that land... how is that peaceful?

kinggovernor · 08-02-2006, 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by Ardentfrost

Isreal TOOK that land... how is that peaceful?

it wasn't it was a war

Ardentfrost · 08-02-2006, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

it wasn't it was a war

you JUST said that they "tried to make peace." Taking someone's land is not trying to make peace

kinggovernor · 08-02-2006, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by Ardentfrost

you JUST said that they "tried to make peace." Taking someone's land is not trying to make peace

that was in 1967, alot has happened since then.

Ardentfrost · 08-02-2006, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

that was in 1967, alot has happened since then.

A lot of fighting