Maybe cracking down on Illegals isn't the best idea

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by 7960

Someone must "look american" to be american? I was under the impression that being born here made someone a citizen.

I'm done here, I don't have time for discussing issues with racists.

[IminWonderland]

Originally Posted by 7960

Someone must "look american" to be american? I was under the impression that being born here made someone a citizen.

Absolutley.

However, there ARE cultural differences with people who come from Mexico, do not assimilate, and live in another country, and they stick out.

So if we aren't going to make some decisions by profiling them...

We can't verify their country of orgin because it's too much work...

We can't ask anyone if they were born in America because their feelings will get hurt...

And we can't deport anyone because their country sucks...

What is the point of any of these threads? What is even the point of a worker program, because why do they need to do that, when they can just run up the 5 freeway?

The only solution to this problem is to call a spade a spade, start filtering the millions of people here illegally out, and to forget about the PCness of deportation.

If they were Arab, we wouldn't even need this conversation.

[IminWonderland]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

I'm done here, I don't have time for discussing issues with racists.

I don't appreciate being called a racist.

It's not racist when a single country makes up 90% of the issue.

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by IminWonderland

I don't appreciate being called a racist.

It's not racist when a single country makes up 90% of the issue.

there is an illegal immigration problem in the northern states bordering canada, and alot of Asians come across the border illegally as well. I didn't expect you to appreciate it, but any policy that starts with someone that "looks like juan pedro" is racist.

[DosEquis]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

there is an illegal immigration problem in the northern states bordering canada, and alot of Asians come across the border illegally as well. I didn't expect you to appreciate it, but any policy that starts with someone that "looks like juan pedro" is racist.

So... if we were to pull muslims aside at airports that racist also?

[Kytro]

Originally Posted by DosEquis

So... if we were to pull muslims aside at airports that racist also?

Not Muslims are not a race. It would be discrimination on the basis of religion.

[7960]

Originally Posted by DosEquis

So... if we were to pull muslims aside at airports that racist also?

If the only reason is that they "look muslim" then yes.

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

there is an illegal immigration problem in the northern states bordering canada, and alot of Asians come across the border illegally as well. I didn't expect you to appreciate it, but any policy that starts with someone that "looks like juan pedro" is racist.

:yep:

My uncle owns a logging company in Maine. I'm sure he hires canadians illegally which means there are residents of the Maine (and the US, obviously) who are out of work because canadians will work for less. I get the feeling Wonderland woudl have us arbitrarily removing anyone from maine who's carrying a chainsaw and wearing a flanel shirt

[Diamond Cross]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

if we put them in jail, that would certainly cost the taxpayers money

I totally agree, however the current immigration system is broken and we need a guest worker program to fix it.


Researchers disagree on illegal immigrant cost-benefit analysis North County Times - North San Diego and Southwest Riverside County News

The 'experts' are split about the cost benefit analysis of illegal immigrants, certainly the current system sucks. It encourages both illegals and employers to use the blackmarket for labor exchanges. If there was a guest worker program, it would force a legitmate way for companies to employ immigrants, who would pay much more in taxes.

don't fault companies who are exploiting the system of regulation that the government has created

So they should be forgiven for breaking the law just because they contribute some money to society? There's a problem with that, in that it's a slipperyh slope indeed. Here's what I mean:

If a group of people ass-raped children for a living, and then contributed hundreds of millions of dolalrs to society, would they forgiven? In essence, where does it stop? Does it stop? Why are people so willing to forgive people who contribute hundreds of millions of dollars to society? I don't understand, but this is why I don't believe in the saying "crime doesn't pay" any more. Because these fucking illegals are being paid for breaking the law. In the amnesty bill, there was a clause that made it far more difficult for employers to fire illegal immigrants than it would be Americans.

What makes these people so special, because they bring in moneyh to society?

So why shouldn't Americans who're born here recieve more benefits than they should? Why shouldn't it be Americans first?

This whole thing with the illegals is nothing more than a crock of shit.

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by DosEquis

So... if we were to pull muslims aside at airports that racist also?

what race is that, brown/black/asian/white?

[Diamond Cross]

Arabic.

[7960]

Originally Posted by Diamond Cross

Arabic.

just so I don't get confused, is he arabic?

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by Diamond Cross

Arabic.

not even close, Iranians aren't even Arabic. What about Chechnya?

[Diamond Cross]

It was a smart-ass remark.

Bleahch.

[RMNIXON]

Originally Posted by IminWonderland

I can tell, as well as people who live where I live can tell because we have lived with them for 20 years. You can tell by the jobs they have, where they live, how they dress, and to an extent how well they speak English. Ever hear of that Movie "A day without mexicans" or something like that? Where I live, Gardeners, Nannies, Maids, Cleaning Services, Kitchens, and the list goes on and on, we know where they work, we encounter them every day.

Until your city is over run by a millions of illegals, you'll never understand.

It is just a bit amusing to watch the rest of the country come to grips with problems we have had in California and other border ststes for decades. It's not so "feel good" when it is in your own backyard!

[IminWonderland]

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

It is just a bit amusing to watch the rest of the country come to grips with problems we have had in California and other border ststes for decades. It's not so "feel good" when it is in your own backyard!

I agree. We aren't talking about a handful of people here. We are talking about MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS of people.

20 illegals can blend in a large metropolitan area. 10 million stick out like a sore thumb.

[7960]

Originally Posted by IminWonderland

I agree. We aren't talking about a handful of people here. We are talking about MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS of people.

20 illegals can blend in a large metropolitan area. 10 million stick out like a sore thumb.

Even though you have not seen 10 million illegals?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

there is an illegal immigration problem in the northern states bordering canada, and alot of Asians come across the border illegally as well. I didn't expect you to appreciate it, but any policy that starts with someone that "looks like juan pedro" is racist.

No it is not racist to identify the illegals by the race they are. If we talk of the illegal imigration from the USA/Mexico border the vast majority are mexicans.
I do not care if they are called juan, taco or chilibean. Why should I? They are here to steal from us and our children/grandchildren. They do not respect our rights , our laws .
It is important to identify them AS THE CRIMINALS THEY ARE!!
All this liberal ,bleeding heart crap is just that a load of CRAP..
The fact they want to steal and many American fools want to aid them with that does not change the fact they are criminals and invaders.
Perhaps we should adopt the liberal stand on this and apply it to American criminals here. The American that breaks into your home and steals should just get a pass/get out of jail free card.
After all he may have been poor, disadvantaged and just trying to feed his family! Once this making excuses then ignoring breaking the laws gets started where does it stop?
That faulty excuse ,bleedingheart crap could be applied to almost any criminal ,any crime.
The law must be enforced , the law must be obeyed, the law must be applied to ALL!
Our soverignty and our future does depend on our being -UNITED
and our maintaining our American culture . We must have a population loyal to our identity,to our Americanism. A population willing to defend our nation
because that population has a stake in America.
This illegaL INVASION has been allowed to happen for severaL REASONS BUT THE TOP ONE IS IT WEAKENS OUR NATION.
The are entities that want that above all else.
Those entities desire our destruction. They desire a one world government.
Do not bother to try to teach me the errors of my thinking . Because I know the facts I just cited are true.
Any that do not know that I feel sorry for.
It is not arrogant to know a truth that others refuse to believe.
It also is not arrogance to refuse to be enlightened by elitist liberal fools or just ordinary sandheads.
Ten to Twenty MILLION invaders were allowed to just waltz into our country to pillage it in several different ways yet our mainstream media, our government ignored this event as if it was invisible!!! ?? HA!
Turning a blind eye has been taken to infinite heights for a purpose.
That purpose is far more sinister than many will admit.
I say use your noodle and look farther ,look deeper than just the casual glance. Research it much deeper you will discover it goes much deeper than the media will ever reveal. Deeper than our government will ever admit.TZS.

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot

No it is not racist to identify the illegals by the race they are.......
I do not care if they are called juan, taco or chilibean.

[IminWonderland]

Originally Posted by 7960

Even though you have not seen 10 million illegals?

I saw a million when they marched down the streets in Los Angeles a couple months ago.

How many do I have to see to know they are there?