The Effects of Hillarycare

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

At a recent wedding I met a young guy who works for the NHS in the UK. I was initially shocked that they were hiring Americans to work for the British healtcare system. He told me that nobody over there wants to be involved in the healthcare system, or even really get into medicine. Many of the doctors over there are brought in from out of the country. He basically said that they are slowly working towards privatizing their healthcare, because currently they are all state-run. He also said that despite the fact that he is a Democrat here in the states, he cannot for one second understand why anybody here would want public healthcare. It's a disaster.

They're for it the same reason they're for Welfare. Bigger government and taking money from the rich to give to the poor. I agree with welfare.. helping the minority poor is fine. But fucking up everyone considerably to help those who either don't qualify for assistance or don't want to pay for their healthcare is another altogether. There's a difference between fixing Medicare to allow for more people and just ruining everyone's health care for the self satisfaction of having it all paid for by the wealthy and expanding business.

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by JaJae

They're for it the same reason they're for Welfare. Bigger government and taking money from the rich to give to the poor. I agree with welfare.. helping the minority poor is fine. But fucking up everyone considerably to help those who either don't qualify for assistance or don't want to pay for their healthcare is another altogether. There's a difference between fixing Medicare to allow for more people and just ruining everyone's health care for the self satisfaction of having it all paid for by the wealthy and expanding business.

They've essentially destroyed the whole healthcare system over there. It's a beautiful example of why we, America, should not go in that direction. And you can bet that it'll be 100x worse here, given the size of our country in comparison.

Not to mention, our poor get free healthcare as it is, through our higher premiums and some taxes. So what are people really complaining about? Nobody goes without healthcare now.

[nbiggershaft]

The funny thing is, illegal immigrants would pay much more into public tax paid healthcare than they would ever get out. They(most) pay all their taxes and get zero back on returns. They also are notorious for not visiting clinics and hospitals unless it is an extreme emergency. But as per usual this has become a, freeloading immigrants blah blah blah.

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by nbiggershaft

The funny thing is, illegal immigrants would pay much more into public tax paid healthcare than they would ever get out. They(most) pay all their taxes and get zero back on returns. They also are notorious for not visiting clinics and hospitals unless it is an extreme emergency. But as per usual this has become a, freeloading immigrants blah blah blah.

When hospitals are going bankrupt and people have to travel another 10 miles to get to an emergency room because illegals don't pay their bills, I think it's a good reason to complain.

Illegals do freeload off our government. They commit identity thefts, drive with no insurance, lower the quality of our education and put hospitals out of business. The list goes on... but, as we've seen. When you go in and kick them out Americans literally line up for their jobs. Americans can't compete with people who are willing to live 10 to a room. Obviously not all illegals are as bad as others... but that doesn't mean we shouldn't complain the same as we complain about people who freeload off any of our welfare systems.

It's almost as if modern liberals are trying to make it un-PC to criticize people soaking up our tax dollars and we should have sympathy for people breaking into our country committing crimes. I don't know if you know anyone who's had their identity stolen before, but it absolutely sucks and costs you a lot of money to get fixed. It hurts your credit and causes a long paperwork and legal nightmare that you have to fix. The fact that some may steal someone's identity does not grant them my sympathy when discussing the issue of their willingness to steal more of our money to receive illegal medical treatment. All these sympathetic views... but nobody mentions the murders and crimes committed by illegals or the unproportionate numbers who are criminals in Mexico. Nobody wants to mention the auto insurance claims and costs they burden us with. Nobody wants to hear about the hospitals closing down the families who have to travel further to get medical treatment, costing American lives. When was the last time we heard a complaint about an illegal stealing someone's identity?? All we hear is praise from the left that they're willing to fuck someone else in order to make an easier adjustment into their illegal stay in America. Eventually we need to throw all the excuses out and fix our immigration issues... But, until then I'll criticize the people unremorsefully abusing our nation.

[Thorgrim]

Maybe because it doesn't balance out in Tancredo's favor

Illegals contribute far more than they take away, as said before

[nbiggershaft]

Originally Posted by JaJae

When hospitals are going bankrupt and people have to travel another 10 miles to get to an emergency room because illegals don't pay their bills, I think it's a good reason to complain.

Illegals do freeload off our government. They commit identity thefts, drive with no insurance, lower the quality of our education and put hospitals out of business. The list goes on... but, as we've seen. When you go in and kick them out Americans literally line up for their jobs. Americans can't compete with people who are willing to live 10 to a room. Obviously not all illegals are as bad as others... but that doesn't mean we shouldn't complain the same as we complain about people who freeload off any of our welfare systems.

It's almost as if modern liberals are trying to make it un-PC to criticize people soaking up our tax dollars and we should have sympathy for people breaking into our country committing crimes. I don't know if you know anyone who's had their identity stolen before, but it absolutely sucks and costs you a lot of money to get fixed. It hurts your credit and causes a long paperwork and legal nightmare that you have to fix. The fact that some may steal someone's identity does not grant them my sympathy when discussing the issue of their willingness to steal more of our money to receive illegal medical treatment. All these sympathetic views... but nobody mentions the murders and crimes committed by illegals or the unproportionate numbers who are criminals in Mexico. Nobody wants to mention the auto insurance claims and costs they burden us with. Nobody wants to hear about the hospitals closing down the families who have to travel further to get medical treatment, costing American lives. When was the last time we heard a complaint about an illegal stealing someone's identity?? All we hear is praise from the left that they're willing to fuck someone else in order to make an easier adjustment into their illegal stay in America. Eventually we need to throw all the excuses out and fix our immigration issues... But, until then I'll criticize the people unremorsefully abusing our nation.

I stopped reading when you mentioned hospitals being closed down because illegals were too expensive. I said, its funny that illegals are coming up in this debate, because illegals would more than pay for their TAX paid health care coverage, if that was the system.

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Maybe because it doesn't balance out in Tancredo's favor

Illegals contribute far more than they take away, as said before

O'Rly...

So if I were to steal your identity. Get into a car accident with you and not have insurance and you have to end up paying it. Then go to the hospital and not pay my bill causing the hospital to close because of all the people who don't pay. Your kid is a year behind the rest of the country because of all the kids who don't speak English and the cost per pupil is through the roof because of all the specialty teachers in your district.

But all that is ok, because I'm working for $4 an hour plucking grapes keeping an American on welfare. And apparently I've contributed far more to this country that I've taken away.

This is the reality. Many illegals steal identities. Many illegals get into car accidents (many also commit crimes). They have children who go to school. They deflate the value of jobs keeping Americans on welfare. But... you can get cheaper produce. Oh the good illegals have done.

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by JaJae

O'Rly...

So if I were to steal your identity. Get into a car accident with you and not have insurance and you have to end up paying it. Then go to the hospital and not pay my bill causing the hospital to close because of all the people who don't pay. Your kid is a year behind the rest of the country because of all the kids who don't speak English and the cost per pupil is through the roof because of all the specialty teachers in your district.

But all that is ok, because I'm working for $4 an hour plucking grapes keeping an American on welfare. And apparently I've contributed far more to this country that I've taken away.

This is the reality. Many illegals steal identities. Many illegals get into car accidents (many also commit crimes). They have children who go to school. They deflate the value of jobs keeping Americans on welfare. But... you can get cheaper produce. Oh the good illegals have done.

So do white people who have lived here for 10 generations, they're probably better at causing that havoc too

However, i think kicking out all the white people would be a tad extreme, just because some cause trouble

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

So do white people who have lived here for 10 generations, they're probably better at causing that havoc too

However, i think kicking out all the white people would be a tad extreme, just because some cause trouble

So now you're saying illegals cause havoc? And citizens have a right to be here. But NOT ALL WHITE PEOPLE CONTRIBUTE FAR MORE THAN THEY TAKE AWAY!!!!

The poor of this white trash of this nation do more harm on our economy than good. If you're going to equate illegals to poor white trash and say they're wreaking havoc just the same, you're essentially contradicting yourself.

People who commit identity thefts, drive without licenses/insurance, don't pay medical bills and send slow kids to school to be taught special ed, etc... are not exactly a beacon of doing "Far more good than they take away..." Doesn't matter what color, race, religion, etc... none of that matters. And when you yourself take the illegal immigration part out of it and turn it into a white issue... all of a sudden you can see the argument. it's ridiculous that people give illegals a pass, but are critical of a white person doing the same thing. If that white person were illegal, I'd say the same thing.. get their asses out, preferably before they procreate. The idea of giving a non-white person a pass absolutely amazes me.

It amazes me that when a person is white they're described as wreaking havoc. When they're illegal they do far more good than they take away. And most illegals do these things by default. The system is set up in such a way that they are forced to.

If there was a race of green people breaking our immigration laws and doing the things necessary to survive in our country illegally, I'd say the same thing... try to prevent them from coming in. We can't take every poor green person who wants to come here and rape us.

[Thorgrim]

my example was just to point out that we have less economically viable people here

Overall though, you still can't get over the fact that illegals contribute more than we take away

[nbiggershaft]

Originally Posted by JaJae

O'Rly...

So if I were to steal your identity. Get into a car accident with you and not have insurance and you have to end up paying it. Then go to the hospital and not pay my bill causing the hospital to close because of all the people who don't pay. Your kid is a year behind the rest of the country because of all the kids who don't speak English and the cost per pupil is through the roof because of all the specialty teachers in your district.

But all that is ok, because I'm working for $4 an hour plucking grapes keeping an American on welfare. And apparently I've contributed far more to this country that I've taken away.

This is the reality. Many illegals steal identities. Many illegals get into car accidents (many also commit crimes). They have children who go to school. They deflate the value of jobs keeping Americans on welfare. But... you can get cheaper produce. Oh the good illegals have done.

THIS IS ALL A MEGA TANGENT

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by nbiggershaft

THIS IS ALL A MEGA TANGENT

Not exactly. One of the major problems of Hillarycare would be the expansion of the abuse it opens up that will end up costing us money.