US Soldiers to John Kerry: Eat alone

[Pro Street]

Originally Posted by phreak

why didn't he correct himself as soon as he said it? is he such a drone that he says whatever is written infront of him without comprehending the bullshit that's flying out of his trap? kind of hard to insult someone's intelligence when you lack that very same characteristic.

and didn't bush do better overall in school than kerry did?

no kerry did better in school than Bush.

But why are you asking me why he didn't correct himself.

I stated a logical fallacy that was posted, i.e. "proving a negative."

just because he didn't stop eveything and say, "oh I'm sorry I didn't mean for it to be misconstrued as an insult to the troops" doesn't meanthat it was intentional.

He may have not even known how it was said.

But I love how some people jump on this, especially those that defend evey Bush misquote ever said.

[kinggovernor]

Kerry initially stated: "Let me make it crystal clear, as crystal clear as I know how. I apologize to no one for my criticism of the president and of his broken policy." Kerry also criticized what he felt was unfair criticism from George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, stating “If anyone thinks a veteran would criticize the more than 140,000 heroes serving in Iraq and not the president who got us stuck there, they're crazy. This is the classic G.O.P. playbook. I’m sick and tired of these despicable Republican attacks that always seem to come from those who never can be found to serve in war, but love to attack those who did.

After two days of media coverage, citing a desire not to be a diversion, Kerry apologized to those who took offense at what he called the misinterpretation of his comment.
John Kerry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

he tried to play political games after his fuck up and still fucked that up too

[RMNIXON]

Originally Posted by motivez

There's no evidence to support the theory that he meant to say it. It's wishful thinking by those who like having new excuses to hate him.

The evidence is in the saying of it. That it was clear statement. And that it took many days to apologize for it. If "missspoke" is true how come this never came up in the angry press conference? I don't recall Kerry holding up a transcript and saying I am sorry for the misunderstanding, this is what I meant to say. I guess his staff is so slow that it took much longer to find his actual words.

I don't even get what is the big deal here? It is not like it is the end of Liberalism if Kerry himself comes off like a jerk?

[motivez]

Originally Posted by Diamond Cross

Boy look at all the spin spin spin by the Democrats. of course if it was bush who made a joke but botched it, they'd be all over it looking for new ways to haqte him.

Just so much partisan politics, and there was nothing released to the speech, otherwise there'd be a press reports about the speech beforehand.

And the so-called corrected statement still isn't funny and is no joke either.

Yeah, because when Bush misspoke and said "We will not have an all volunteer army" talking about the draft, everyone jumped on him because it was proof that he planned to bring the draft back!

Some things are simply mistakes.

[motivez]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

Kerry initially stated: "Let me make it crystal clear, as crystal clear as I know how. I apologize to no one for my criticism of the president and of his broken policy." Kerry also criticized what he felt was unfair criticism from George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, stating “If anyone thinks a veteran would criticize the more than 140,000 heroes serving in Iraq and not the president who got us stuck there, they're crazy. This is the classic G.O.P. playbook. I’m sick and tired of these despicable Republican attacks that always seem to come from those who never can be found to serve in war, but love to attack those who did.

After two days of media coverage, citing a desire not to be a diversion, Kerry apologized to those who took offense at what he called the misinterpretation of his comment.
John Kerry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

he tried to play political games after his fuck up and still fucked that up too

He simply defended the intention of his statement rather than how it came out. People were trying to twist what he said the same way they twisted his "voted for it before voted against it" statement and he wasn't going to allow them to do it without a fight.

However, that close to the election, sense got the better of him.

[RMNIXON]

P.S. I never met Kerry and don't hate him. I just don't have much respect for him and have been given good reason.

[motivez]

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

The evidence is in the saying of it. That it was clear statement. And that it took many days to apologize for it. If "missspoke" is true how come this never came up in the angry press conference? I don't recall Kerry holding up a transcript and saying I am sorry for the misunderstanding, this is what I meant to say. I guess his staff is so slow that it took much longer to find his actual words.

I don't even get what is the big deal here? It is not like it is the end of Liberalism if Kerry himself comes off like a jerk?

Exactly, the evidence is in the saying of it. You know, because it differed from how it was written and handed out ahead of time to the press. He meant to say it one way, and he said it another by accident.

The 'why' is in the post previous to this.

It's not that it's really a big deal, anyone who doesn't get that it was a botched joke by now lacks a capacity to process information, but there's no reason not to correct the record when a bunch of people try to make this situation look worse than it is.

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by motivez

He simply defended the intention of his statement rather than how it came out. People were trying to twist what he said the same way they twisted his "voted for it before voted against it" statement and he wasn't going to allow them to do it without a fight.

However, that close to the election, sense got the better of him.

"The only way we can win is to leave before the job is done." --George W. Bush, Greeley, Colo., Nov. 4, 2006


Bush wants to cut and run.

[Diesel66]

Originally Posted by Pro Street

so let me get this straight...and, no, I'm not calling any soldier stupid, I'm just pointing out some irony:

Kerry messes up a joke
anyone with half a brain knows it was a messed up joke
those that were supposingly branded as "stupid" still don't realize it was a messed up joke


am I the only one who sees this?

The first day he was arguing that it wasnt a joke but a serious comment. Later on he claimed it was a joke.

[motivez]

You appear to have misunderstood his statements on the issue.

[RMNIXON]

Originally Posted by motivez

He meant to say it one way, and he said it another by accident.

That is a matter of opinion. We obviously disagree on that point so I will respect your opinion and hope you will do the same. I think we have worn out this issue.

But the Kerry trip is still up for grabs!

[Diesel66]

Originally Posted by Pro Street

no kerry did better in school than Bush.

not that either of them had good grades.

In 1999, The New Yorker published a transcript indicating that Bush had received a cumulative score of 77 for his first three years at Yale and a roughly similar average under a non-numerical rating system during his senior year.

Kerry, who graduated two years before Bush, got a cumulative 76 for his four years, according to a transcript that Kerry sent to the Navy when he was applying for officer training school. He received four D's in his freshman year out of 10 courses, but improved his average in later years.

Kerry's weak grades came despite years of education at some of the world's most elite prep schools, ranging from Fessenden School in Massachusetts to St. Paul's School in New Hampshire

To put the grades in perspective, Smith said that he had a well-earned reputation for being tough, and noted that such grades would probably be about 10 points higher in a similar class today because of the impact of what he called ''grade inflation."

Yale grades portray Kerry as a lackluster student - The Boston Globe







goddamn they were both ugly in college

[motivez]

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

That is a matter of opinion. We obviously disagree on that point so I will respect your opinion and hope you will do the same. I think we have worn out this issue.

But the Kerry trip is still up for grabs!

It's a matter of fact, not opinion. The facts point to a simple botched joke. You're free to ignore the facts in the case that point to my conclusion, I can't stop wishful thinking or make believe.

[motivez]

Aren't Yale / Harvard grades generally lower than at other colleges? I thought most people who graduate from Harvard do so with less than 3.7 or 3.5 or something.

[Diesel66]

Originally Posted by motivez

You appear to have misunderstood his statements on the issue.

his response to McCain

If anyone thinks a veteran would criticize the more than 140,000 heroes serving in Iraq and not the president who got us stuck there, they’re crazy. This is the classic G.O.P. playbook. I’m sick and tired of these despicable Republican attacks that always seem to come from those who never can be found to serve in war, but love to attack those who did.

Now I have little respect for McCain as a politican but wtf response to him ???


Then his great apology. Not Oops I misread the speach but he is sorry that others misinterpreted his exact words.

I sincerely regret that my words were misinterpreted to wrongly imply anything negative about those in uniform, and I personally apologize to any service member, family member, or American who was offended.

[Diesel66]

Originally Posted by motivez

Aren't Yale / Harvard grades generally lower than at other colleges? I thought most people who graduate from Harvard do so with less than 3.7 or 3.5 or something.

Then, sure.

One of his professors said:

To put the grades in perspective, Smith said that he had a well-earned reputation for being tough, and noted that such grades would probably be about 10 points higher in a similar class today because of the impact of what he called ''grade inflation."


So say both of them had a B+ average in today's grades. But that doesnt make the news, only them getting D's and finishing with a C average is what reported.

[motivez]

He's not reaffirming his statements, he's saying the GOP is twisting his intention into something for political gain.

The key part of the statement:

If anyone thinks a veteran would criticize the more than 140,000 heroes serving in Iraq and not the president who got us stuck there, they’re crazy.

Saying he meant to criticize the President rather than the troops. He should have admitted he botched the joke earlier. I've said his apology game too late.

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by motivez

He simply defended the intention of his statement rather than how it came out. People were trying to twist what he said the same way they twisted his "voted for it before voted against it" statement and he wasn't going to allow them to do it without a fight.

However, that close to the election, sense got the better of him.

so we agree he was more focussed on the political fallout than apologizing to the military after insulting them.

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by motivez

Aren't Yale / Harvard grades generally lower than at other colleges? I thought most people who graduate from Harvard do so with less than 3.7 or 3.5 or something.

most people should graduate with less than a 3.7 from any college

[motivez]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

so we agree he was more focussed on the political fallout than apologizing to the military after insulting them.

Of course he was, his insult was a mistake, a botched joke, and it was close to the election. He also had a desire to be 'tough' after all the charges that he rolled over and didn't fight back hard enough in '04..

I'm not saying he handled it well, he didn't, obviously.. and this situation essentially ended any chance he has at being the nominee in '08 or ever, because it reminded everyone what about John Kerry they don't like.

But, to say that it was more than a botched joke and he meant to insult the military purposely is simply wrong, wishful thinking from the "hate John Kerry first" crowd