US Soldiers to John Kerry: Eat alone

[imind]

Originally Posted by JaJae

Coming from a guy who shoots himself in the leg...

from a man who was there...

of Kerry's crewmates who was actually involved in the incident that led to Kerry's injury stated that Kerry's injury could not have been self-inflicted since Kerry was bending down to pick up an M-16 at the time. The two crewmates who were with Kerry during the incident categorically dismiss as false the claim that Kerry got his injury due to misfiring an M-79 grenade launcher.

Originally Posted by jajae

...and demands a purple heart,...

from the same site...

John Kerry could NOT have gotten his Purple Heart(s) without his Commander's recommendation. Indeed, regulations do not allow combatants to nominate themselves Purple Hearts or award it to themselves.

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Originally Posted by 7960

And I'm pretty sure the bandaid hearts would be considered extremely rare,...

same site...

The severity of a person's injury is irrelevant to the award of a Purple Heart. The injury had to be sustained due to an outside force or in action against an enemy or hostile foreign force - or even from friendly fire (including self-inflicted wounds as long as gross negligence was not involved). So SBV's claims against Kerry on these aspects are outrageous and without merit. Not to mention the fact that, as Richard Holbrooke has pointed out, "The distance between a light wound and death is an inch. It's one aorta. It's one artery."

Many purple heart awards were made to Swift Boat personnel in the Vietnam era, for wounds similar to those sustained by Kerry. So, SBV's claim that Kerry did not deserve his award is equivalent to saying that the Purple Hearts won by many of those who served in Vietnam were undeserved. I invite them to announce this in public.

Originally Posted by 7960

I think statements from the doctor who addressed the "wounds" goes pretty far as PROOF.

John Kerry's Vietnam Medical Report on National Review Online

same site...

SBV member Louis Letson, who claims he treated Kerry and downplays his wound, was NOT the doctor who signed Kerry's sick call sheet and was not a Kerry crewmate. There is no proof he ever treated Kerry and he apparently started to recollect his memories of Vietnam just last year (2003).

so, who is telling the truth? honestly, i don't know, as even primary sources are conflicting. but none in this forum can claim fact as their statement. methinks, though, many will continue to forward these 'facts' in future threads.

link to information in post.

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

Again, why does that matter?

In other words you claim only one statement is false and refuse to back it up. Yet you say:

Everything you said is false and spin because you have bought into all this bullshit.

You're strongly contradicting yourself. First you respond with just a rolleyes smilie. Then when I say the truth hurts, you lay in the cheap jab me with your phrase "in your head." I pressure you to back up your statements and your rude posts and all you can come up with is "why does it matter?"

If you're going to rudely post and say everything in a post is false, you might actually want to back up your claim in the future as opposed to essentially admitting the content in the post was correct, it just doesn't happen to matter to you.

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by imind

from a man who was there...

Nobody ever said he issued himself a purple heart, obviously he couldn't do that. But as an officer he writes the recommendations.

so, who is telling the truth? honestly, i don't know, as even primary sources are conflicting. but none in this forum can claim fact as their statement. methinks, though, many will continue to forward these 'facts' in future threads.

We both are, we're just talking about two different things.

From your source.. defending the fact he shot himself in the leg...
"...even a "friendly fire" injury can qualify for a purple heart "

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by JaJae

In other words you claim only one statement is false and refuse to back it up. Yet you say:



You're strongly contradicting yourself. First you respond with just a rolleyes smilie. Then when I say the truth hurts, you lay in the cheap jab me with your phrase "in your head." I pressure you to back up your statements and your rude posts and all you can come up with is "why does it matter?"

If you're going to rudely post and say everything in a post is false, you might actually want to back up your claim in the future as opposed to essentially admitting the content in the post was correct, it just doesn't happen to matter to you.

Spin. It's spin. Get it through your head.

It doesn't matter about the book with an upside down flag or the the videos. The fact that you cry about it like there is something wrong at all is the spin.

[imind]

Nobody ever said he issued himself a purple heart, obviously he couldn't do that. But as an officer he writes the recommendations.

for himself? did he do this? link?

We both are, we're just talking about two different things.

no, we're not. you've made allegations against kerry's service record. i've provided evidence that runs counter to everything you've said regarding this.

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

Spin. It's spin. Get it through your head.

It doesn't matter about the book with an upside down flag or the the videos. The fact that you cry about it like there is something wrong at all is the spin.

You call it "spin spin spin" all you want. However, rudely making posts against another user and claiming everything they said is false is quite different from your personal opinion of "spin" no?

"Get it through your head..." that to some people, disgracing the flag by turning it upside down is offensive. Obviously some anti-war followers and people we don't oppose flag burning and the like wouldn't have a problem with disgracing the flag to make a point. But to many others, it's a disgrace. They may support their right to do it, but when someone does it is quite often considered offensive.

And the political videos show a lot about his character. Some choose to ignore it and call it "spin", yet others look at it for what it is... strange and politically motivated.

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by imind

no, we're not. you've made allegations against kerry's service record. i've provided evidence that runs counter to everything you've said regarding this.

Urban Legends Reference Pages: Politics (Service Mettle)

That got lost on the last page.

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by Stoner

You know, it's just easier to call Kerry an oxygen-thief and move on.

And the sad thing is this is the genius who the libs chose as their best shot at retaking the White House.

Can't wait to see who they pick in 08. This should be good.

He got approx 48% of the country's vote, and if 60,000 votes were different you'd be calling him Mr. President

And you wouldn't be able to blame it in a third party like Dole did in 96 and Bush I did in 92

48% of the country wanted to elect an inarticulate, uncharismatic liberal senator from a liberal state as President

[Stoner]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

if 60,000 votes were different you'd be calling him Mr. President

If I was 6 inches taller and had a wicked jump shot I'd be in the NBA.

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by Stoner

If I was 6 inches taller and had a wicked jump shot I'd be in the NBA.

No you wouldn't

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

48% of the country wanted to elect an inarticulate, uncharismatic liberal senator from a liberal state as President

The last election was the election to vote against the worst candidate. I think most voters weren't happy with the person they voted for. If '08 has decent candidates, the GOP would be ignorant to cite the victory in 04.

[RMNIXON]

151 Posts. Kerry would be pleased at the attention.

John (who are you talking about) Edwards should be so lucky!

Talk about the Invisible Man launches a Presidential Bid with the worst timing evah!

[Diesel66]

Originally Posted by JaJae

Coming from a guy who shoots himself in the leg and demands a purple heart

it was possibly a ricochet from a gernade.




Add in meeting with the enemy while in the Navy.

[Diamond Cross]

Some guys just can't understand that it was not a joke. Saying that it is is the spin, and not the truth.

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by Diamond Cross

Some guys just can't understand that it was not a joke. Saying that it is is the spin, and not the truth.

Then respond to this post.

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

The real question is why he would change a transcript if he meant to say it.

You think he was trying to sneak one through and got caught?

So he totally meant to say it, but then decided to change it because he had no idea there would be backlash from calling the troops stupid?

[Diamond Cross]

Spin spin sinnity spin spin.

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by Diamond Cross

Spin spin sinnity spin spin.

*fingers in ears*


LALALALALALALALA


What's so dangerous about answering the question? Afraid to think?

[Diamond Cross]

Yep. The vuy just doesn't want to hear the truth, that it was not a botched joke and Kerry meant what he said.

keep providing spin control, it'll constantly be knocked down b y the truth.

[Stoner]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

it was a botched joke?

What was? The comment about our troops or his 2004 campaign race?

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by Stoner

What was? The comment about our troops or his 2004 campaign race?

Sometimes you crack me up.