Saddam gets the last laugh

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

He should have the words "Master of Miscalculation" on his grave. Totally failed to Kick Iran's Butt, Failed in his attempt to Take Kuwait with nothing more than United Nations blather, and after he was given a second chance to rule and keep so much corrupt UN money for himself he still kept up the WMD bluff so he could look like the big tough in the Middle East and it put him and his rotten sons in the grave.

Iran recovered more quickly than anyone could have anticipated, and he had to hit them before that revolution hit southern Iraq and swept up the entire country

Kuwait? You have to be kidding me, how would YOU have taken Kuwait?

You really think the US would have stopped Iran from invading Iraq under Saddam if he came across as toothless?

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

He should have the words "Master of Miscalculation" on his grave. Totally failed to Kick Iran's Butt, Failed in his attempt to Take Kuwait with nothing more than United Nations blather, and after he was given a second chance to rule and keep so much corrupt UN money for himself he still kept up the WMD bluff so he could look like the big tough in the Middle East and it put him and his rotten sons in the grave.

Some people will defend this guy to the bitter end, almost with puppy love, but you said it all right here.

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Some people will defend this guy to the bitter end, almost with puppy love, but you said it all right here.

Batter up, we're talking strictly about job performance here, how would YOU have taken over Kuwait?

[Thorgrim]

They had Shia...thats right SHIA Iraqis in Iraq saying how Saddam came out as the martyr, and the executioners the tyrants

Like I said, Saddam got the last laugh...he was about 70 years old, and at that age, an Arab man, even wealthy, do not have the highest mortality rates...never in his wildest dreams did he think he'd die as a martyr, but in his last moments when he saw the Iranian puppets acting like scumbags, he knew the word would get out, smirked, and then began to pray as he accepted his death

As many american conservatives and average iraqis have noted, he looked dignified as he died

[motivez]

I have to agree in part with what Thorgrim is saying about him going out as a martyr, I'm sure we'll unfortunately see many attacks in his name in the coming months (and years) in Iraq, and maybe other places around the world as well if the Ba'ath Party keeps their word.

The video has done a lot of damage to the diplomacy effort between the various factions in Iraq, I think. The evidence that's out right now is showing a lot of anger and frustration with how it went down and it's not going to help bring Sunni's to the table.

If we want our soldiers to die less frequently, if we want a stable Iraq, if we want to see progress, that doesn't bode well. He did appear to be the dignified one, while the Shia in control of the execution (and Iraq) appeared to be of the same cloth as the thugs who put on masks and behead people.

He deserved what he got, but this whole process has done more harm than it will ever do good.. and it's just another failure in a long, long list of failures and miscalculations made by this Administration.

In custody he was marginalized, out of power, out of the spotlight. Now, people will fight in his name.

It's sad.. and I feel sorry for the families of our soldiers who will die as a result, and I feel sorry for the innocent Iraqi's who'll die in retaliatory attacks.

[AntiCentrist]

I wonder how long it will be before Moqtada al-Sadr is President of the Islamic Republic of Iraq? Six weeks after we leave Iraq (which is to say, 12 weeks after Bush leaves office)?

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by AntiCentrist

I wonder how long it will be before Moqtada al-Sadr is President of the Islamic Republic of Iraq? Six weeks after we leave Iraq (which is to say, 12 weeks after Bush leaves office)?

There are questions on whether al-Sadr's armed forces have outgrown his political skill, he has stopped asking them to step down from fights because on more than one occasion they apparently refused (post golden dome bombing)

If he had the skill, he could seize the green zone tommorow after al-Sistana basically blessed bringing in a new government, which didn't happen...but the current government is so weak and Sadr's forces are so large and entrenched in all the key places, the battle would be over before it started, for all we know Sadr's men are in key places just waiting for an order...but I doubt he has that kind of cunning

If the Badr Corp militia and Iraqi army teamed up against Sadr, he'd lose, but that would be very hard indeed...Kurds didn't sign up to kill Shia in Basra

[Pro Street]

Man arrested over Saddam hanging video | Metro.co.uk

An eyewitness to Saddam's Hussein's execution has been arrested after video of the hanging appeared on the Internet.
An adviser to Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki said that the person who made the leaked video was in detention.
The adviser, who requested anonymity because he is not authorized to speak to the media, did not identify the person.
"He was an official who supervised the execution and now he is under investigation," the adviser said.

oops

[RMNIXON]

Originally Posted by Pro Street

Man arrested over Saddam hanging video | Metro.co.uk




oops

In short it was not an action of the government and is being investigated. An AP article in todays paper states that a Prosecutor who was at the hanging stated that the taunts came from Guards outside the execution chamber, not from the masked guards who hanged him.

[RMNIXON]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Some people will defend this guy to the bitter end, almost with puppy love, but you said it all right here.

Saddam got his clues about how to run things from the Nazi's. The Baath Party was inspired by them all the way back to the 1930's. They loved the dictatorship hiarchy, the absolute rule of law and police state for the purpose of opression of all enemies, and the anti-semitism was a big plus!

Faleh a Jabar, How Saddam keeps power in Iraq

The Syrian-Iraqi Baath party and its Nazi beginnings


This is what some people admire!

[Thorgrim]

You know, you could go to human rights watch, and find many of our friends and allies doing all those activities

[RMNIXON]

Originally Posted by motivez

I have to agree in part with what Thorgrim is saying about him going out as a martyr, I'm sure we'll unfortunately see many attacks in his name in the coming months (and years) in Iraq, and maybe other places around the world as well if the Ba'ath Party keeps their word.

The video has done a lot of damage to the diplomacy effort between the various factions in Iraq, I think. The evidence that's out right now is showing a lot of anger and frustration with how it went down and it's not going to help bring Sunni's to the table.

If we want our soldiers to die less frequently, if we want a stable Iraq, if we want to see progress, that doesn't bode well. He did appear to be the dignified one, while the Shia in control of the execution (and Iraq) appeared to be of the same cloth as the thugs who put on masks and behead people.

He deserved what he got, but this whole process has done more harm than it will ever do good.. and it's just another failure in a long, long list of failures and miscalculations made by this Administration.

In custody he was marginalized, out of power, out of the spotlight. Now, people will fight in his name.

It's sad.. and I feel sorry for the families of our soldiers who will die as a result, and I feel sorry for the innocent Iraqi's who'll die in retaliatory attacks.

You may have a good point on the diplomacy angle. The video was a big mistake. These people are very sensitive about images and respect in death.
On the other hand clearly this sends a message to the remaining Baath party that your dreams of Saddam being put back in power are gone forever. If you want to be part of this government mend your ways and come to the table.

As for the violence and it's cause you could not be more wrong and that is the real sad part of it. While the people who commit these acts may welcome more excuses to justify their actions, they don't need a new purpose. They have made that clear. And what they both fear and respect is strength. Playing nice by the UN and putting Saddam in exile in some Island Prison for the rest of his days would be perceived as weakness on the part of the new government and the Western World. Instead of outrage you would have a victory celebration that would only encourage more violence as rewarded.

I also must question your use of the terms "coming months, and years."
Is that in anyway the result of a lack of violent escalation in the last several days? It seems a rather automatic way to blame violence that occurs no matter when in the future on this action and the Bush Administration not on terrorism? Because that is what it looks like from here.

[Thorgrim]

Maybe the ba'ath party didn't really care about Saddam anymore, they just want to make a statement to assert they are still a force...he was getting old, and had a pretty bad history, somebody new would be good for the ba'ath party

You're so broad about terrorism basically everyone in Iraq is a terrorist, they all have ties to militias who engage in terrorist activities, and everyone wants the protection of militias

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

This is what some people admire!

Like us in the 60's and 70's?

We helped put those poeple in power.

[AntiCentrist]

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

The Syrian-Iraqi Baath party and its Nazi beginnings

That link takes you to a site called GreaterIsrael.com (I think they spell it EretzYisrael, in keeping with Hebrew pronunciation). Yeah, that would be a great place to get an unbiased view of the Arab world.

Here are some (fictional, fortunately) links of a similar character:

The Truth About Serbia: As Told By Some Croatian Fascist Kooks and a Horde of Blood-Drenched Albanian Jihadists

Why the Jews Suck, an essay by Adolf Hitler

The Niftiness of Slavery: A Perspective from a Wealthy Southern Heiress Who's Family Made Their Fortune in the Early 19th Century Cotton Industry

Don't Visit England: An IRA Primer

[Thorgrim]

The local US officer to respond to the media said Saddam gave the guards a warm thank you and as always was very courteous...again adding to the dignity of his death

[Diamond Cross]

So is saddam a personal hero to you or is he somebody you just have a lot of respect for?

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by Diamond Cross

So is saddam a personal hero to you or is he somebody you just have a lot of respect for?

Neither, that doesn't mean I believe we should re-write history to suit our interests

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Neither, that doesn't mean I believe we should re-write history to suit our interests

Doesn't mean you should rewrite it to go against our interests either...

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by JaJae

Doesn't mean you should rewrite it to go against our interests either...

google pretty much anything I said and it's backed up, or check out the nightly news videos from this week

im not rewriting im merely pointing out what has happened and what's going on