Guardsman shot at on US Border

[hsmith]

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Gunmen Attack National Guard Border Patrol Site in Arizona

Friday, January 05, 2007

TUCSON, Ariz. — National Guard troops at an observation post near the Mexico border were forced to flee a group of armed people, who later ran into Mexico, authorities said.

The troops, who are not allowed to apprehend illegal border crossers, withdrew safely and no one was injured, said National Guard Sgt. Edward Balaban.

U.S. Border Patrol officials are investigating the 11 p.m. Wednesday incident and trying to determine who the armed people were and why they approached the post near Sasabe, in the desert corridor between Nogales and Lukeville. Balaban said the troops didn't know how many people were involved because it was so dark.

That area has been the busiest in the Tucson Sector for marijuana seizures. Agents have seized 124,000 pounds of marijuana there since Oct. 1, said Rob Daniels, spokesman for the Border Patrol's Tucson Sector.
"We don't know if this was a matter of somebody coming up accidentally on the individuals, coming up intentionally on the individuals, or some sort of a diversion," Daniels said.

With more Border Patrol agents and National Guard troops patrolling the Arizona section of the U.S.-Mexico border, it has become more difficult to smuggle drugs and people across and "that heightened frustration may have been connected to what took place last night," Daniels said.

Balaban said officials would investigate and then determine whether to change any procedures for troops at the border.

Since arriving in mid-June, the Guard has assisted the Border Patrol by manning control rooms, repairing roads, fences and vehicles, and spotting and reporting illegal border crossings to the Border Patrol. President Bush said last spring he would have up to 6,000 National Guard troops deployed to assist the Border Patrol.

Ok, how is this not an act of war? How can Bush and congress continue to sit there and do NOTHING AT ALL to protect our borders? This is getting way out of hand, it is time to fucking set that shit hole Mexico straight for once.

[JaJae]

We should string a set of military bases and if anyone in the open desert shoots at our troops, we should send in artillery and aircraft to bomb the region.

We shouldn't be running away from gunfire. They should be scared shitless to ever fire on an American.

This is what happens when we throw the book at our border patrol who opens fire on aggressors and gives them amnesty even though they were conducting a crime.

[Scrum]

Umm, weren't they going from America into Mexico?

edit - Maybe not. It just says they retreated to mexico.

[Emfuser]

Originally Posted by JaJae

This is what happens when we throw the book at our border patrol who opens fire on aggressors and gives them amnesty even though they were conducting a crime.

Correct

hsmith, quit politicizing this so much. If you really think this problem is a result of one side or the other, then you're really letting your right-hate get to you. This issue, and our politicians willingness to disregard it as long as it lets them stay entrenched in power, isn't the result of one big party or the other; it's both.

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by JaJae

We should string a set of military bases and if anyone in the open desert shoots at our troops, we should send in artillery and aircraft to bomb the region.

You want to bomb a region because some caballero took a potshot with his rifle?


Let's get serious here. The Mexican government needs to have pressure put on them to stop these people from attacking our border patrols. They should at least allow us to persue them into Mexico to get them.

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by Emfuser

it's both.

Very true. The hispanic vote is fragile. You get the religious right and you get the minority Democrat. They swing both ways and both parties need their votes. No party has the balls to stand up to them.

If it were rich white people crossing the border shooting at our military the Democrats would be all over that one... It goes both ways.

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

You want to bomb a region because some caballero took a potshot with his rifle?


Let's get serious here. The Mexican government needs to have pressure put on them to stop these people from attacking our border patrols. They should at least allow us to persue them into Mexico to get them.

It's a group of people as described by the article. And Mexico will not put pressure on them, they encourage it. Relying on Mexico to do something about this is like relying on Hamas to tell their people to leave Israel alone. It's futile.

And yes, if a group of people shoot at our military they deserve to be fired upon in a way that is most safe for our military. If that means sending in some attack helis or some arty shells, then so be it.

If we had a bunch of black (or some minority) thugs crossing the Mexican border and shooting at their military, we'd do something about it before the media even knew it was going on. Yet, when the situation is reversed, we won't defend ourselves and Mexico won't do anything to help prevent it.

[7960]

1. when the first shot was fired it should have been returned with tons of lead... those attackers should be dead

2. I hate to think this but those guardsmen *probably* tried to call someone to see what they should do rather than open fire to protect themselves

3. it's not an act of war because it wasn't organized by the mexican govt. If I go across the canadian border and shoot one of their patrol agents that's stupid american me shooting a canadian border agent, NOT *america* attacking canada.

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by JaJae

It's a group of people as described by the article. And Mexico will not put pressure on them, they encourage it.

I think my sentance on this wasn't very clear. I meant that we should be putting heavy pressure on mexico. Not that they should just suddenly start caring about this.

We start cutting off aid and trade with them and they will change their tune.

[Scrum]

This artice is really vague on details.

Did they come from the US and go into Mexico?

Did they even fire a round at the agents?

[nbiggershaft]

Originally Posted by hsmith

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Ok, how is this not an act of war? How can Bush and congress continue to sit there and do NOTHING AT ALL to protect our borders? This is getting way out of hand, it is time to fucking set that shit hole Mexico straight for once.

overreact much? For all we know it was some kids playing target practice with their 22's. Hardly enough to make these kind of statements.

[ballz2wallz]

There is no such thing as 'over-reacting' to our border issues. People aren't reacting enough, and frankly, it's quite pathetic.

[lew]

Originally Posted by Emfuser

Correct

hsmith, quit politicizing this so much. If you really think this problem is a result of one side or the other, then you're really letting your right-hate get to you. This issue, and our politicians willingness to disregard it as long as it lets them stay entrenched in power, isn't the result of one big party or the other; it's both.

He said Bush and Congress. He was saying it's both parties. It's all of Washington who is to blame.

[nbiggershaft]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

There is no such thing as 'over-reacting' to our border issues. People aren't reacting enough, and frankly, it's quite pathetic.

I'll let smileys speak for me. Bang bang, no one hurt. LL thinks mexicans are declaring war. And









don't we have a little smiley jerking off?

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by nbiggershaft

I'll let smileys speak for me. Bang bang, no one hurt. LL thinks mexicans are declaring war. And



don't we have a little smiley jerking off?

And you see this as one rare incident wiht little meaning other than it's face-value? Come on man, this is just the tip of the iceburg. This is a symptom of a larger problem that you are just unwilling to recognize.

[7960]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

And you see this as one rare incident wiht little meaning other than it's face-value? Come on man, this is just the tip of the iceburg. This is a symptom of a larger problem that you are just unwilling to recognize.

You mean the problem of people creating threads titled "GUARDSMAN SHOT AT ON US BORDER" when the article doesn't mention one shot being fired?

[Ardentfrost]

This is most certainly NOT mexico attacking the US.

I don't like the idea of putting economic pressure on mexico to let us pursue people like this into their country... if we do that, then it DOES become US vs. Mexico (ie. an issue that didn't start out as that ends up as that)

Why the hell aren't they allowed to shoot people threatening their lives? IF they were shot at, they're not allowed to return fire? They may not be allowed to apprehend people crossing the border, but they're also not allowed to arrest people who break the law or protect themselves? If not, what exactly is their purpose? Decoration? Targets?

What exactly is this underlying problem that ballz is talking about? The fact that people break the law? That's always going to be a problem no matter what you do.... no matter how many police/military/people with guns you have, others will always break the law. No matter if you take away everyone's gun, people will still break the law. No matter if you're allowed to shoot on sight anyone you see breaking the law, no questions asked, people will still break the law. This incident is people (who may or may not be Mexican) who may have broken the law by shooting at officers or threatening them... or they may not have.

The only reason people are attempting to make a big deal out of this is because the perps COULD have been Mexican... officers get shot at every day all around the nation. This article is simple fear mongering or trying to insight a riot or however you want to say "bullshit meant to lead people into thinking there's more going on than there is"

[7960]

Originally Posted by Ardentfrost

They may not be allowed to apprehend people crossing the border,

I think our towers/guard stations/etc should be 1/2 mile on this side of the border. If someone approaches one and is armed, he needs to die. If the first shot misses we have 1/2 mile to catch up and get it right.

[kinggovernor]

the us military should never been in a position to not defend itself with force

[imind]

Originally Posted by 7960

You mean the problem of people creating threads titled "GUARDSMAN SHOT AT ON US BORDER" when the article doesn't mention one shot being fired?

yeah, wtf?

who was attacked? sounds more like these people just happened upon our guys, they backed off, end of story.

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