House Democrats to tackle minimum wage

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby

Are you going somewhere with this or what?

His point was pretty clear.

[DosEquis]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

A combination of raising minimum wage, resulting in increased unemployment, and higher taxes they are proposing, will hurt the economy.

Raising minimum wage affects very, very little. It will not increase unemployment because it affects very little. It will not increase the cost of living, because it affects very little.

A tax increase, if not an overwhelming %, will have some very minor short term affects but will iron out over a brief amount of time.

[Dumpy Dooby]

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

His point was pretty clear.

It seems kind of irrelevant considering the points being made against minimum wage. To spell it out a bit more, the individuals that oppose it are basing their stance on the fact that it's detrimental to the economy and it doesn't help the general public. However, it does increase taxes, thereby increasing budgets, thereby increasing money that's circulating in government, thereby giving some of the higher ups an increase in pay. Naturally, it makes sense that the majority of the politicians would be in favor of this.

[DosEquis]

Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby

It seems kind of irrelevant considering the points being made against minimum wage. To spell it out a bit more, the individuals that oppose it are basing their stance on the fact that it's detrimental to the economy and it doesn't help the general public. However, it does increase taxes, thereby increasing budgets, thereby increasing money that's circulating in government, thereby giving some of the higher ups an increase in pay. Naturally, it makes sense that the majority of the politicians would be in favor of this.

That part is where conservatives get rabid for no reason, and you acknowledge it doesn't help anyone. If it doesn't help anyone that means people are already making more than 7.25 an hour, thus it does not hurt business because there is no increased labor cost. There is nothing detrimental about it. Now if they raised it to $8.50 or $10.00 then we would be having a different conversation.

Sure there are isolated cases of those making less than 7.25 an hour, but those jobs are few and far between. In effect, it is meaningless "feel good" legislation... that gives people the impression democrats care about working people.

[Pro Street]

Originally Posted by DosEquis

Sure there are isolated cases of those making less than 7.25 an hour, but those jobs are few and far between. In effect, it is meaningless "feel good" legislation... that gives people the impression democrats care about working people.

Jobs paying minimum wage are few and far between?

[Dumpy Dooby]

Originally Posted by DosEquis

That part is where conservatives get rabid for no reason, and you acknowledge it doesn't help anyone. If it doesn't help anyone that means people are already making more than 7.25 an hour, thus it does not hurt business because there is no increased labor cost. There is nothing detrimental about it. Now if they raised it to $8.50 or $10.00 then we would be having a different conversation.

Sure there are isolated cases of those making less than 7.25 an hour, but those jobs are few and far between. In effect, it is meaningless "feel good" legislation... that gives people the impression democrats care about working people.

Raising minimum wage doesn't help ANYONE in the general public. It only benefits those that are in office or work for the state. It will help people temporarily, and that's about it.

[Dumpy Dooby]

Originally Posted by Pro Street

Jobs paying minimum wage are few and far between?

Jobs paying the federal minimum wage are few and far between. Most states have a higher minimum wage than the fed. I read that something like 3% of American jobs are minimum wage jobs (again, federal minimum wage jobs).

[Pro Street]

Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby

Raising minimum wage doesn't help ANYONE in the general public. It only benefits those that are in office or work for the state. It will help people temporarily, and that's about it.

It didn't happen in 1995.. the walls didn't tumble down, the economy didn't crash, small businesses didn't fail. It helped the lower paid workers.

I don't see how people can be content having a wage stay the same while the cost of living has gone up and so has inflation SINCE the last hike.

[DosEquis]

Originally Posted by Pro Street

Jobs paying minimum wage are few and far between?

According the the Bureau of labor statistics (in 2004 anyway), 2.7% of all hourly paid employees made minimum wage. There are further stats that show 25% of these workers are 16-19 years old, and that a good percentage of those jobs were also part timers.

I do agree with the increase in minimum wage, however, I am just sayin that it is not going to help that many people in the grand scheme of things. Since it does not help that many people it is not going to be detrimental as some libertarian/conservatives imply. I do agree those 2.7% are getting screwed and need the raise.

[Pro Street]

Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby

Jobs paying the federal minimum wage are few and far between. Most states have a higher minimum wage than the fed. I read that something like 3% of American jobs are minimum wage jobs (again, federal minimum wage jobs).

oh, federal.

Tables 1 - 10; Characteristics of Minimum Wage Workers: 2002

[Dumpy Dooby]

Originally Posted by Pro Street

It didn't happen in 1995.. the walls didn't tumble down, the economy didn't crash, small businesses didn't fail. It helped the lower paid workers.

I don't see how people can be content having a wage stay the same while the cost of living has gone up and so has inflation SINCE the last hike.

Did minimum wage go up 40% in 1995?

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby

Did minimum wage go up 40% in 1995?

It was about 30% in 1995...now 40% the economy is going to collapse...ok

[Dumpy Dooby]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

It was about 30% in 1995...now 40% the economy is going to collapse...ok

I didn't say that raising minimum wage will cause the economy to collapse. I said that it would ultimately raise inflation, increase taxes, and decrease the value of the USD.

There are many other socialistic factors that are collectively working toward collapsing the economy. Raising minimum wage is almost not even worth mentioning, by comparison.

[Pro Street]

Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby

I didn't say that raising minimum wage will cause the economy to collapse. I said that it would ultimately raise inflation, increase taxes, and decrease the value of the USD.

There are many other socialistic factors that are collectively working toward collapsing the economy. Raising minimum wage is almost not even worth mentioning, by comparison.

taxes and inflation will rise regardless of minimum wage.

All this does is allow lower income workers to at least somewhat afford to live.

[Ardentfrost]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

It was about 30% in 1995...now 40% the economy is going to collapse...ok

it went up 17%. $4.25 to $5.15 (I was working a min-wage job during that is the only reason I remember those numbers)

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by Ardentfrost

it went up 17%. $4.25 to $5.15 (I was working a min-wage job during that is the only reason I remember those numbers)

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[Pro Street]

Originally Posted by Ardentfrost

it went up 17%. $4.25 to $5.15 (I was working a min-wage job during that is the only reason I remember those numbers)

and of course, taxes shot up, unemployment went up, and small businesses failed.

and the only good thing that happened was that people made more money to pay bills

[Dumpy Dooby]

Originally Posted by Pro Street

taxes and inflation will rise regardless of minimum wage.

Hence, "Raising minimum wage is almost not even worth mentioning, by comparison."

All this does is allow lower income workers to at least somewhat afford to live.

That's just a polite way of saying, "We want to violate the rights of others because we feel that we unrightfully deserve a piece of what they've rightfully earned."

[Pro Street]

Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby

Hence, "Raising minimum wage is almost not even worth mentioning, by comparison."

they didn't rise at the same rate.
Congress raised thier wages, they also increase it to compensate for cost of living

That's just a polite way of saying, "We want to violate the rights of others because we feel that we unrightfully deserve a piece of what they've rightfully earned."

So are smoking bans. So is overtime. So is any result of progressive reform.

IIRC you were in favor of many of those things