House Democrats to tackle minimum wage

[Diesel66]

Originally Posted by Pro Street

who says they're not?

they are still working for minimum wage jobs. If they had any of those, they would be getting paid more.

[Kytro]

There is a bit of misconception in this thread. Some people seem to believe that if they are capable of something, then everyone else is.

This often isn't the case. An example is:

Studying and getting skilled. There are a number of reason why this is not possible for everyone. The biggest problem is people do know how to go about it or even how to find out about it.

They may be capable mentally, but they just cannot do it. Not everyone can get up and change who they are.

[Diesel66]

Originally Posted by Kytro

There is a bit of misconception in this thread. Some people seem to believe that if they are capable of something, then everyone else is.

This often isn't the case. An example is:

Studying and getting skilled. There are a number of reason why this is not possible for everyone. The biggest problem is people do know how to go about it or even how to find out about it.

They may be capable mentally, but they just cannot do it. Not everyone can get up and change who they are.

McDonalds pays more the minimum wage, and they hire retards to work there.

[Kytro]

Originally Posted by Diesel66

McDonalds pays more the minimum wage, and they hire retards to work there.

I wasn't really talking about mental retards, more emotionally screwed up people

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by Kytro

I wasn't really talking about mental retards, more emotionally screwed up people

so we should spend this much time discussing min wage because of the small number of people that are emotionally screwed up

[Pro Street]

Originally Posted by Diesel66

they are still working for minimum wage jobs. If they had any of those, they would be getting paid more.

like me?

employers will pay as low as they can get away with. plain and simple.

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by Pro Street

like me?

if you insist on making this about yourself, why would you commute 55 miles for a job that only pays $5.15?

[Kytro]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

so we should spend this much time discussing min wage because of the small number of people that are emotionally screwed up

Not really. It's just the perception that most people are on min wage because they are lazy or want to be is not entirely reasonable

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by Pro Street

employers will pay as low as they can get away with. plain and simple.

of course, and you will want to get paid as much as you can get away with. plain and simple

[Kytro]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

of course, and you will want to get paid as much as you can get away with. plain and simple

Employers, in general have more power than employees

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by Kytro

Employers, in general have more power than employees

not really, it is a 2 way relationship.

[Kytro]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

not really, it is a 2 way relationship.

It certainly can be, more often with highly skilled individuals. With many jobs however, the employer has a power over employees. Not because he can direct them, though that certainly helps, but because people need to earn money to survive and feed their families. Immediate need is more important then looking for a better job.

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by Kytro

It certainly can be, more often with highly skilled individuals. With many jobs however, the employer has a power over employees. Not because he can direct them, though that certainly helps, but because people need to earn money to survive and feed their families. Immediate need is more important then looking for a better job.

even low-middle skilled jobs like to offer better compenstation than minimum wage/state law requirements because they want to attract better talent than the bare minimum that society has to offer. hell, mcdonalds pays more than minimum wage

[Pro Street]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

if you insist on making this about yourself, why would you commute 55 miles for a job that only pays $5.15?

when did I say I commuted 55 miles to a minmum wage job?

the job I commuted 55 miles to payed better... although only enough to where I could afford to live 55 miles from there.

[Pro Street]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

not really, it is a 2 way relationship.

how so?

In hourly, blue collar jobs, the salary is not negotiable.

[Pro Street]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

even low-middle skilled jobs like to offer better compenstation than minimum wage/state law requirements because they want to attract better talent than the bare minimum that society has to offer. hell, mcdonalds pays more than minimum wage

so how come it's not causing inflation?

and if minimum wage was removed, do you honestly think the wage would stay the same or go up? If so why are there minimum wage jobs now?

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by Pro Street

how so?

In hourly, blue collar jobs, the salary is not negotiable.

sure it is, you have plenty of options. first off, you could not take the job if the pay was not high enough, or you could request a higher wage. Your employer could say yes or no, and then you would make your decision whether you want to continue to work there.

you could also not quit but go on strike, etc etc

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by Pro Street

so how come it's not causing inflation?

and if minimum wage was removed, do you honestly think the wage would stay the same or go up? If so why are there minimum wage jobs now?

it will cause inflation to increase if we raise the minimum wage. Do you know get how the numbers work, the cost of doing business increases so the company will raise prices to meet those costs. Spread that out across the entire economy and today's money will not purchase as much as it did yesterday. Are you saying that doesn't happen?

If minimum wage was removed today, there would be several jobs that would not pay as much, and there would not be pay increases like how the government would like to artificially insert into the market. Thus there would be less inflation. There minimum wage jobs because there is low skilled work that is not work very much but the government mandates that the worker be given an artificial amount of compensation.

[Pro Street]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

sure it is, you have plenty of options. first off, you could not take the job if the pay was not high enough, or you could request a higher wage. Your employer could say yes or no, and then you would make your decision whether you want to continue to work there.

you could also not quit but go on strike, etc etc

both your examples place the power on the employer.

and a strike is quitting, unless you have a union job. but I don't see any union jobs that pay minimum wage.

[Pro Street]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

it will cause inflation to increase if we raise the minimum wage. Do you know get how the numbers work, the cost of doing business increases so the company will raise prices to meet those costs. Spread that out across the entire economy and today's money will not purchase as much as it did yesterday. Are you saying that doesn't happen?

It didn't go up because it was raised in 1995. And since then it's gone up since.

If minimum wage was removed today, there would be several jobs that would not pay as much, and there would not be pay increases like how the government would like to artificially insert into the market. Thus there would be less inflation. There minimum wage jobs because there is low skilled work that is not work very much but the government mandates that the worker be given an artificial amount of compensation.

wages will fall, however the cost of living continue to go up. So wil inflation. The seperation of the classes will increase even more.

so what will happen? More poor people will get and qualify for welfare. Thus this increased the tax burden.. and as such taxes are raised.

It's just as plausable as your scenario.


oh, and I make this "about me" because when those that work minimm age are called lazy or uneducated, I'm in that lump.