House Democrats to tackle minimum wage

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by Pro Street

both your examples place the power on the employer.

and a strike is quitting, unless you have a union job. but I don't see any union jobs that pay minimum wage.

how is not taking the job placing the power on the employer?

you could form a union if you wanted to, but for some reason companies in America with union workers are having a hard time paying their employees an artifically high salary. See any parallels?

[Pro Street]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

how is not taking the job placing the power on the employer?

you could form a union if you wanted to, but for some reason companies in America with union workers are having a hard time paying their employees an artifically high salary. See any parallels?

If your only negotiating point is not taking the job, you have no power.

And forming a union usually = fired. most people won't do it. As to what unions are doing these days, that's a different subject.

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by Pro Street

It didn't go up because it was raised in 1995. And since then it's gone up since.

I already posted the effect of the 1997 increase, I don't really feel like finding more research about another wage increase. It's basic economics and math.

wages will fall, however the cost of living continue to go up.

that doesn't make any sense. If wages fall the cost of living will decrease for two reasons:
1. There will be less dollars chasing more goods, this will cause prices to fall
2. If employers are paying their employees less, they can charge less, thus the price of goods will fall

So wil inflation.

not at all, in fact the opposite would happen

The seperation of the classes will increase even more.

I didn't realize that government's purpose was to keep everything fair and in the middle

so what will happen? More poor people will get and qualify for welfare. Thus this increased the tax burden.. and as such taxes are raised.

There is not an endless supply of tax dollars, nor people wanting to pay for welfare. Just mention tax increase and people freak out, with good regard. maybe, just maybe, they will work hard and get a better job.

It's just as plausable as your scenario.

my scenario is based upon economic theory and yours is on something other than that.

oh, and I make this "about me" because when those that work minimm age are called lazy or uneducated, I'm in that lump.

i have never called anyone who works a minimum wage job lazy, shit I used to flip burgers at McDonalds. People who work minimum wage jobs are generally uneducated

The likelihood of a worker being paid the minimum wage or less is inversely related to the level of education attained. Among hourly-paid workers age 16 and over, a little over 2 percent of those who had a high school diploma but had not gone on to college earned the minimum or less, compared with less than 2 percent for those who had obtained a college degree.

Characteristics of Minimum Wage Workers: 2002

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by Pro Street

If your only negotiating point is not taking the job, you have no power.

you have all the power, the power of free will.

And forming a union usually = fired. most people won't do it. As to what unions are doing these days, that's a different subject.

RIGHTS OF EMPLOYEES

Sec. 7. [§ 157.] Employees shall have the right to self-organization, to form, join, or assist labor organizations, to bargain collectively through representatives of their own choosing, and to engage in other concerted activities for the purpose of collective bargaining or other mutual aid or protection, and shall also have the right to refrain from any or all such activities except to the extent that such right may be affected by an agreement requiring membership in a labor organization as a condition of employment as authorized in section 8(a)(3) [section 158(a)(3) of this title].

UNFAIR LABOR PRACTICES

Sec. 8. [§ 158.] (a) [Unfair labor practices by employer] It shall be an unfair labor practice for an employer--

(1) to interfere with, restrain, or coerce employees in the exercise of the rights guaranteed in section 7 [section 157 of this title];

NLRB | About Us | Overview | National Labor Relations Act

Basically what that is saying is that your employer cannot punish you because of union activity.

Unions are minimum wage take to the next level, they cry about a living wage and usually get COLA increases. And they have destroyed the entire manufacturing portion of our economy because of their constant taking and taking without regards of what they really merited as low skill employees.

[Diesel66]

Originally Posted by Pro Street

how so?

In hourly, blue collar jobs, the salary is not negotiable.

yes it is. Anyone with skills/experience can negoitate their salary The more your skill is in demand, the more ability you have.

[Pro Street]

Originally Posted by Diesel66

yes it is. Anyone with skills/experience can negoitate their salary The more your skill is in demand, the more ability you have.

let's get back to reality here people

[Dumpy Dooby]

Originally Posted by Pro Street

let's get back to reality here people

He's right.

[Pro Street]

Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby

He's right.

No, he's not.

You cannot negotiate a blue collar hourly job, and ESPECIALLY to pay over minimum wage, which is the point of this.

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by Pro Street

You cannot negotiate a blue collar hourly job, and ESPECIALLY to pay over minimum wage, which is the point of this.

That's funny, cause that's exactly what I did when I worked construction, and that was 10 yrs ago.

[Diesel66]

Originally Posted by Pro Street

No, he's not.

You cannot negotiate a blue collar hourly job, and ESPECIALLY to pay over minimum wage, which is the point of this.

Do you even work blue collar ? Of course you can negotiate. And of course, your skill and experience plays a big part. If your skill is in demand, you have a lot of room. If not, then pick and choose the offers.

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by Diesel66

Do you even work blue collar ? Of course you can negotiate. And of course, your skill and experience plays a big part. If your skill is in demand, you have a lot of room. If not, then pick and choose the offers.

It's true, I negotiated a decent $10 per hour eventually.

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

It's true, I negotiated a decent $10 per hour eventually.

You negotiated from minimum wage to $10 an hour?

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

You negotiated from minimum wage to $10 an hour?

that really isn't that big of a deal, with pay increases and promotion.

[RMNIXON]

Originally Posted by Pro Street

No, he's not.

You cannot negotiate a blue collar hourly job, and ESPECIALLY to pay over minimum wage, which is the point of this.

You can if you have something to offer an employer other than mob rules!

What is your right to a job at any pay rate?

[RMNIXON]

What gets "Real" wages up is no mystery. Low unemployment rates and growing economic markets. You must pay good workers what they are worth in wages and benefits to both hire them and keep them or they go elsewhere! That is the prime motivator! Now if you want to play it the other way lets have say 20% unemployment of youth in France but you can't fire a lazy dumbshit!

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by Pro Street

No, he's not.

You cannot negotiate a blue collar hourly job, and ESPECIALLY to pay over minimum wage, which is the point of this.

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that took about .02 seconds and I found two blue collar jobs that are offering variable wage compenstation.

[RMNIXON]

Originally Posted by Pro Street

As to what unions are doing these days, that's a different subject.

We know what they are doing. They are taking Union Dues, which they can use for politics without consent, and then promote expansion of government. That is the only area of Union growth in the this country! There is no waste that is too big as long as government union labor is on the project. Right now in California Healthcare is the big target and this will soon spread across the whole Nation.

[Kytro]

It's a shame economics isn't a hard science. At least then people would have real facts to work with other than speculation.

[Pro Street]

Originally Posted by Diesel66

Do you even work blue collar ? Of course you can negotiate. And of course, your skill and experience plays a big part. If your skill is in demand, you have a lot of room. If not, then pick and choose the offers.

Electrician
Mechanic
Fueler
HVAC
Framing Commercial Truck
Retail
Security
Delivery


Just to name a few.. and never has salary been negotiable.