House Democrats to tackle minimum wage

[Pro Street]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

that really isn't that big of a deal, with pay increases and promotion.

oh wait

ok so you can't negotiate a minimum wage job (the point of this thread).

So.. where are we again?


and yes, after working for $5.15/h for a year you have a chance to make.... $6.00/h!

excellent!

[kinggovernor]

YOU can negotiate by applying for the job and asking how much it pays. If they lowball you then YOU decline the job and ask if there is any leeway room. If there is, they can make you a better offer, if there isn't you can look for another job. Walking away from the table is a great negotiating tactic.

[Kytro]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

YOU can negotiate by applying for the job and asking how much it pays. If they lowball you then YOU decline the job and ask if there is any leeway room. If there is, they can make you a better offer, if there isn't you can look for another job. Walking away from the table is a great negotiating tactic.

Absolutely ... assuming you have the skill to demand leway, and sufficient time to look for another job.

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by Kytro

Absolutely ... assuming you have the skill to demand leway, and sufficient time to look for another job.

that is also assuming the employer has the skill to demand leeway and sufficient time to look for another applicant (what if you are the only person that applies for the job)

[Pro Street]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

YOU can negotiate by applying for the job and asking how much it pays. If they lowball you then YOU decline the job and ask if there is any leeway room. If there is, they can make you a better offer, if there isn't you can look for another job. Walking away from the table is a great negotiating tactic.

AGAIN.. that is not salary negotiation.

That is called "as-is."

You either take the job or don't. no negotiation.

now it's my turn to ask you.. when you worked at McDonald's, did you negotiate salary?

of course not.

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by Pro Street

AGAIN.. that is not salary negotiation.

That is called "as-is."

You either take the job or don't. no negotiation.

now it's my turn to ask you.. when you worked at McDonald's, did you negotiate salary?

of course not.

i have been waiting for you to bring that up, actually I did. I worked the morning shift (6-2) for 3 months on the weekends and all summer when I was 16. I counted the number of kids that had been hired/fired for the morning shift and it was more than 2 dozen, I never missed a shift. Yet I hadn't been given a raise because I didn't "work enough hours" because I played sports during the week and later on the weekends. So I took them that was bs, and that either they gave me a raise or I would quit. They thought I was kidding so they didn't, so I quit. Two weeks later they called me at my house and said they wanted to talk. They agreed to pay me 7 dollars an hour (manager's pay) if I would agree to if I would not tell anyone. So I didn't tell my own sister or my friends I worked with that I was making more then they were but I negotiated my own raise. They agreed to pay me more because I would be there EVERY saturday/sunday morning and not fucked up like the vast majority of fast food workers.

cliffs: yes you can negotiate your own salary, I have a similar story from working in an amusement park over the summer

[Pro Street]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

i have been waiting for you to bring that up, actually I did. I worked the morning shift (6-2) for 3 months on the weekends and all summer when I was 16. I counted the number of kids that had been hired/fired for the morning shift and it was more than 2 dozen, I never missed a shift. Yet I hadn't been given a raise because I didn't "work enough hours" because I played sports during the week and later on the weekends. So I took them that was bs, and that either they gave me a raise or I would quit. They thought I was kidding so they didn't, so I quit. Two weeks later they called me at my house and said they wanted to talk. They agreed to pay me 7 dollars an hour (manager's pay) if I would agree to if I would not tell anyone. So I didn't tell my own sister or my friends I worked with that I was making more then they were but I negotiated my own raise. They agreed to pay me more because I would be there EVERY saturday/sunday morning and not fucked up like the vast majority of fast food workers.

cliffs: yes you can negotiate your own salary, I have a similar story from working in an amusement park over the summer

That's negotiating a raise, not your salary.

I've done something similiar. Worked two years, only missed 1 day. came in whenever I was asked, and did my job well.


I asked for a raise.. nope
I asked for benefit options.. nope


and a similiar instance for every job I've had.

For your single example, I have 10 firsthand expierences that say otherwise.


and honestly... that's the first I have EVER heard of McDonald's negotiating salary..I've worked for 2 franchises there when I was younger, none of them had any raises or salary for those not in management positions.

[Dumpy Dooby]

You can always negotiate your salary. You're a company asset. There is a particular cost for the asset, and the person setting the cost is the worker. If you feel that the job isn't worth as much as the company is willing to pay, then don't work for that particular company. If nobody feels that the company is paying enough, then the company will have no employees. If the company finds someone that will work for them, for the pay that they were asking, then the company wins, and so does their newfound employee. You win too because you didn't want to work for such a small salary. Your time is worth more than that, and you now have an opportune moment to find another employer that will agree with you.


It's really not a difficult concept. The minimum wage whiners are a bunch of idiots that don't understand economics nor the concept of supply and demand.

[Pro Street]

The thing about this debate is that views are based only on personal expierences.

If you've grown up in the middle class and maybe worked one of these jobs as a kid, it's easy to say no to any minimum wage hike.

It's easy to paint doomsday stories and ignore any other factors.

It's easy to say that the only people working these are kids... however in many areas it's all there is. I moved to this small town 2 years ago from NoVA. I've seen and been part of 2 economic classes.. I was born into the middle class, and am working in the lower class while I work on getting a better job.

Progressive job handling might seem a bit socialist, however L-F markets have been proven to fail in a Capitalist society.. the allure of profit can overshadow and rip the foundations of this country apart.

The further the classes seperate, the more the lower classes will "leech" off welfare, and the more the upper classes will pay. The less overall benefit we well have as a nation in terms of crime prevention, drug use, education level, and local economic development.

Imposing a minimum wage that serves to only catch up from the levels of 1995 will not suddenly make your hamburger cost $3. It will not bring up the cost of living.. because by the own admission of those against it.. the numbers are too small to mean anything.


so what, kids are working the jobs? Good give them money to save for an education. Give the immigrant money to maybe get a better place. Give the poor enough to work on thier life instead of working for next week's paycheck.

[Pro Street]

Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby

You can always negotiate your salary. You're a company asset. There is a particular cost for the asset, and the person setting the cost is the worker. If you feel that the job isn't worth as much as the company is willing to pay, then don't work for that particular company. If nobody feels that the company is paying enough, then the company will have no employees. If the company finds someone that will work for them, for the pay that they were asking, then the company wins, and so does their newfound employee. You win too because you didn't want to work for such a small salary. Your time is worth more than that, and you now have an opportune moment to find another employer that will agree with you.


It's really not a difficult concept. The minimum wage whiners are a bunch of idiots that don't understand economics nor the concept of supply and demand.

I think you should read what I wrote instead of calling me an idiot.

Don't skim over my posts next time.

[Dumpy Dooby]

Originally Posted by Pro Street

and honestly... that's the first I have EVER heard of McDonald's negotiating salary..I've worked for 2 franchises there when I was younger, none of them had any raises or salary for those not in management positions.

The name, "McDonald's," is completely meaningless. McDonald's isn't the one negotiating anything. You said yourself that it's a franchise. You work in a McDonald's store. You work for whoever owns that particular franchise.

And by the way, when I worked in a McDonald's, I negotiated my salary as well. So now you know two people.

[Pro Street]

Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby

The name, "McDonald's," is completely meaningless. McDonald's isn't the one negotiating anything. You said yourself that it's a franchise. You work in a McDonald's store. You work for whoever owns that particular franchise.

And by the way, when I worked in a McDonald's, I negotiated my salary as well. So now you know two people.

I believe you. honest.

You negotiated your grill position at McDonald's

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by Pro Street

That's negotiating a raise, not your salary.

I've done something similiar. Worked two years, only missed 1 day. came in whenever I was asked, and did my job well.


I asked for a raise.. nope
I asked for benefit options.. nope


and a similiar instance for every job I've had.

For your single example, I have 10 firsthand expierences that say otherwise.


and honestly... that's the first I have EVER heard of McDonald's negotiating salary..I've worked for 2 franchises there when I was younger, none of them had any raises or salary for those not in management positions.

that is because I thought I was being fairly compenstated when I first took the job, but in a few months I felt I was not. That is neogiating a salary, there is more to a job than the first wage they offer. You need to start thinking of yourself as on the same level as employers, and start empowering yourself. They need you just as much as you need them. You need them to pay bills and have a little left over, they need you to pay bills and have a little left over

[Dumpy Dooby]

Originally Posted by Pro Street

so what, kids are working the jobs? Good give them money to save for an education. Give the immigrant money to maybe get a better place. Give the poor enough to work on thier life instead of working for next week's paycheck.

Why do any of those groups deserve to be paid more than what they are worth to the company?

It's pretty simple: If you don't like your minimum wage job, get another fucking job!

[Pro Street]

Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby

Why do any of those groups deserve to be paid more than what they are worth to the company?

It's pretty simple: If you don't like your minimum wage job, get another fucking job!

come here and get a job..I give you one week... good luck.

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

that is because I thought I was being fairly compenstated when I first took the job, but in a few months I felt I was not. That is neogiating a salary, there is more to a job than the first wage they offer. You need to start thinking of yourself as on the same level as employers, and start empowering yourself. They need you just as much as you need them. You need them to pay bills and have a little left over, they need you to pay bills and have a little left over

I have no idea where you get this from.. they need you as much as you need them at a fast food joint?

I think I've had enough of this debate... we're never going to agree and this is one of the few things you and myself don't side together on... and we've been on this same topic for a week now.


I'm just done... my mind isn't changed, I just am tired of it.

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by Pro Street

I believe you. honest.

You negotiated your grill position at McDonald's

my manager used to show up all sorts of fucked up, so I had to cover three jobs because there was only two of us to begin with. I used to take drive thru orders, counter and grill all at the same time while he was trying to figure out his left from right

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by Pro Street

I'm just done... my mind isn't changed, I just am tired of it.

agree to disagree

[Kytro]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

that is also assuming the employer has the skill to demand leeway and sufficient time to look for another applicant (what if you are the only person that applies for the job)

I agree, but in many low-paying jobs there are often plenty of applicants to choose from. This isn't strictly true though.

One thing that does annoy me more is paying people less money due to age.

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by Kytro

I agree, but in many low-paying jobs there are often plenty of applicants to choose from. This isn't strictly true though.

One thing that does annoy me more is paying people less money due to age.

if many people are chasing a low paying job then the employer can afford to offer low compensation because of the high demand