Cnn/dobbs: W Fulfills His Dad's Dream Of a New World Order

[MKULTRA]

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I realize that some of you here are wise to this but many do not want to believe this is and has been happening. This is the literal end of this country. We can no longer set our own tariffs. We can no longer control our own borders. We do not set our own environmental standards anymore. We no longer own our own central bank. And soon we will not have any choice on what even enters this country. Our roads are being sold to private, foreign, corporations.

Hopefully some of you will be honest enough with yourselves to face this and face what is going on instead of simply disregarding it because you don't want to think about it or because it doesn't fit into your CBS/Fox world, that is nothing more than a short yellow bus ride to your own demise.

[7960]

I was wondering how long it would take you to find this place once you were permabanned "over there"

welcome

[Phantom]

Lou Dobbs should be executed. I can't believe CNN has sunk so low as to put this guy on who obvious appeal is to plain ignorance. This is just more proof that ratings > * when it comes to news.

That's about all I have to say on this topic.

[Diesel66]

as I said on the other site, how can less govt interference in business and people's lives somehow create a supergovt ?

[MKULTRA]

Originally Posted by Diesel66

as I said on the other site, how can less govt interference in business and people's lives somehow create a supergovt ?

How is NAFTA and the NAU free trade? How is 22,000 pages of rules and regulation free trade? Just because they say "free trade" does not mean it is free trade. I could show you a knife and say it's a lollipop but does that mean you should take it and put it in your mouth?

NAFTA, WTO, CAFTA, and all these other so-called "free trade" programs are UNITED NATIONS programs. They are market cornering schemes that ensure oligopolies for large corporations and private bankers, effectively squeezing out small-mid sized bankers and corporations. They are not "free trade"

All of these programs fall under the WTO, which is admittedly and openly a United Nations organization. What is sold to us Americans here as "Free Trade" is sold to South Americans as "Socialism" Do your homework.

And I fail to see how this is some kind of wacky 'conspiracy theory' although it certainly is a conspiracy. They've already handed over our toll roads here in Austin to foreign corporations and they're building the NAFTA superhighway, I-35. I wouldn't have any problems with this except it will be private. In other words, whoever owns it can decide who does and does not use it and how much they pay(if anything). Again, another market cornering strategy, hardly a level playing field or "free trade." You can argue that it's their road and they can do what they want, except they are using public tax money to build/maintain all of this stuff and then private, usually foreign, corporations are getting control of it.

I have some videos of Bush talking about this. I'll be happy to post them if you'd like. Please explain to me how this is less government involvement. Look at what these trade programs have got us so far, China tariffing our goods 35% or more and us tariffing theirs 2%(if anything). Is that fair? No.

This is big government corporatism at work, not free trade.

[Diesel66]

Originally Posted by MKULTRA

How is NAFTA and the NAU free trade? How is 22,000 pages of rules and regulation free trade?

How are they not freer trade ?

And I fail to see how this is some kind of wacky 'conspiracy theory' although it certainly is a conspiracy. They've already handed over our toll roads here in Austin to foreign corporations and they're building the NAFTA superhighway, I-35. I wouldn't have any problems with this except it will be private.

They are paying for it, why should they not be allowed to run it ?

[MKULTRA]

Originally Posted by Diesel66

How are they not freer trade ?


They are paying for it, why should they not be allowed to run it ?

Read my above post. Again, I ask you how corporate welfare, market cornering, and unfair tariffs are free trade. Explain that to me. If it was free trade it would've been a few pages abolishing tariffs and taxes. It wouldn't have been 22,000 pages of tariffs, taxes, rules and regulations.

[Diesel66]

Originally Posted by MKULTRA

Read my above post. Again, I ask you how corporate welfare, market cornering, and unfair tariffs are free trade. Explain that to me. If it was free trade it would've been a few pages abolishing tariffs and taxes. It wouldn't have been 22,000 pages of tariffs, taxes, rules and regulations.

because in the past the tarrifs, etc.,.,.. were higher.

[MKULTRA]

Originally Posted by Diesel66

because in the past the tarrifs, etc.,.,.. were higher.

Which ones? That's not true at all. They did not lower all tariffs or even cut all tariffs by a fixed amount. In fact, as per the example with the toll roads, they raised tariffs and taxes. Look at how much China and Mexico tariff our good and how little(if at all) we tariffs theirs. These UN programs that the Republicrats call "free trade" are not free trade.

Now I ask you again how tariffs, taxing, and almost a trillion a year in corporate welfare are free trade.

Don't just blindly defend the Republicrats out of emotion. Look into what I am telling you. The NAU is not free trade.

[Diesel66]

Originally Posted by MKULTRA

Which ones? That's not true at all. They did not lower all tariffs or even cut all tariffs by a fixed amount. In fact, as per the example with the toll roads, they raised tariffs and taxes. Look at how much China and Mexico tariff our good and how little(if at all) we tariffs theirs. These UN programs that the Republicrats call "free trade" are not free trade.

Where did you get that idea ? We were basically forbidden to sell a lot of stuff in Mexico before NAFTA. Now the US and Canada are selling a shitload.

Now I ask you again how tariffs, taxing, and almost a trillion a year in corporate welfare are free trade.

Don't just blindly defend the Republicrats out of emotion. Look into what I am telling you. The NAU is not free trade.

FREER trade.

[MKULTRA]

Originally Posted by Diesel66

Where did you get that idea ? We were basically forbidden to sell a lot of stuff in Mexico before NAFTA. Now the US and Canada are selling a shitload. FREER trade.

Again, I keep pointing out it is not 'freer' trade. Higher tariffs, higher taxes, and more corporate welfare is not 'freer' trade. 22,000 pages(in NAFTA alone) of rules, regulations, corporate handouts of our tax money, state sponsored oligopolies, and other UN trade schemes is not "freer.' It is the opposite of a free market.

The US's manufacturing base has been all but destroyed and shipped off to people in China, whom get arrested and put in prison for not coming to work. That is not free, unless they have changed the definition of free since the last time I used it and it now means slavery.

[Diesel66]

Originally Posted by MKULTRA

Again, I keep pointing out it is not 'freer' trade. Higher tariffs, higher taxes, and more corporate welfare is not 'freer' trade.

except you are wrong.

[MKULTRA]

Originally Posted by Diesel66

except you are wrong.

So prove me wrong. Where is your evidence?

And let me ask you this. It's an easy, yes or no question. Do you think the United Nations encourages free trade?

My evidence

Congressman on corporate welfare

corporate welfare

NAFTA giveaways

[Phantom]

Originally Posted by MKULTRA

NAFTA giveaways

This highway is a great idea. It is exactly what we need.

[Phantom]

Originally Posted by MKULTRA

Congressman on corporate welfare

corporate welfare

NAFTA didn't appear in a search of either of these two pages. Are you just spamming us here?

[Diesel66]

Originally Posted by MKULTRA

So prove me wrong. Where is your evidence?

Are you dumb ? The tarrifs before nafta were 20 + % between the US and Mexico, today they are either 0 or very low percents.
The Effects of NAFTA on U.S.-Mexican Trade and GDP
NAFTA's First Five Years (Part 1) - Business Frontier - FRB Dallas
North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) — FAS Fact Sheets


Trade has exploded in all three nations, prices have dropped.


Is it perfect ? Of course not. But is it miles better then before NAFTA and the similar treaties, YES.

And let me ask you this. It's an easy, yes or no question. Do you think the United Nations encourages free trade?

UN doesnt care about free trade and I hope they disappear.



And the only thing against the highway is the Longshoremen in LA. But if they didnt price themselves so much higher then the competition they wouldnt have to worry about losing business. Sorry but data entry clerks arent worth 100,000 a year. And how much of a surprise is it, that they are unions ?

[MKULTRA]

Originally Posted by Diesel66

Are you dumb ? The tarrifs before nafta were 20 + % between the US and Mexico, today they are either 0 or very low percents.
The Effects of NAFTA on U.S.-Mexican Trade and GDP
NAFTA's First Five Years (Part 1) - Business Frontier - FRB Dallas
North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) — FAS Fact Sheets


Trade has exploded in all three nations, prices have dropped.

Prices have dropped but so have wages and the cost of living has risen.

As I keep telling you, this is about the merger of U.S., Mexico, and Canada into one country. Our borders, our roads, our customs, our ports, our currency etc. are going to be one with Canada and Mexico. This goes far beyond free trade and into the destruction of our country. That is what I am saying and that is what your articles are saying. Our ability to set our own tariff and local environmental standards is gone. So yes, you could say that free trade among North America has increased, since we're all being merged into the North American Union or Superstate. So no one is being stupid here, you're just re-asserting what I've already told you and you're not bright enough to figure it out. I'm saying our country is being dissolved, destroyed. And I'm saying that globally, the odds are stacked against us with unfair tariffs and the use of slave labor.

Likewise, the small businesses and corporations cannot compete with the massive amounts of corporate welfare/giveaways that NAFTA provides these big corporations with. I've already sourced you to that. That is a consolidation of wealth via forced taxation, not competition.

here is yet another link to the superhighways

Now I want you to explain to me how taking our roads, roads payed for by tax dollars, roads maintained by tax dollars, and giving them to foreign corporations is free market. Because I can't see that as free market.

While you're at it, also explain to me how charging people interest on their own currency, currency they print out, is free market.

Also explain to me how Chinese tariffing our goods is fine but it's not okay or possible to do it to them. There is no equality. It is simply cheap slave goods.

Likewise, it is ridiculous to demand Americans, whom are working more hours on average than they were 30 years ago(and making less) to compete with Chinese slaves, who are imprisoned and beaten for not coming to work. You cannot have a free market when you put slave goods into the equation, which is one reason why you have seen the manufacturing base here all but vanish.

Originally Posted by Diesel66

Now


Is it perfect ? Of course not. But is it miles better then before NAFTA and the similar treaties, YES.
UN doesnt care about free trade and I hope they disappear.



And the only thing against the highway is the Longshoremen in LA. But if they didnt price themselves so much higher then the competition they wouldnt have to worry about losing business. Sorry but data entry clerks arent worth 100,000 a year. And how much of a surprise is it, that they are unions ?

As I have pointed out, NAFTA is the United Nations. So how is your above statement true? Either they care or they don't care. You have not researched this. You are taking a pigeon hole view of things and running around and digging up information to support your side of the story because it is about ego with you. I am not here to win a debate, simply to learn and exchange ideas. I get no sense of satisfaction by winning a debate with you. I could care less. What I'm asking you to do is step back, look at what is going on. Massive amounts of corporate welfare is being handed out, North America is being consolidated into one country, and globally the market is being controlled via international bankers and state sponsored oligopolies. This is per the UN plan. These trade agreements all fall under the WTO, which is the United Nations.

And I'm not overly concerned about the case with that specific union. They may or may not have shot themselves in the foot but that is their choice to make. If that was the case then it was their own fault.

But what I am concerned with is my tax dollars, my personal and our national sovereignty, which is being dissolved. Open up your eyes and look at the big picture.

[Pro Street]

MKULTRA.. welcome here but this is different than elsewhere.. links can't just be any old website.

[MKULTRA]

Originally Posted by Phantom

This highway is a great idea. It is exactly what we need.

A highway may be what we need but it should belong to the American people, that paid for it, not foreign or international corporations. Giving away your country's roadways to foreigners is a sign of an occupied nation. I am all for the roads being there but I'm against charging people to use them for corporate profit after they've already paid to build them and they're paying to maintain them. That is increased taxation and corporatism, not free market. That is NAFTA.

And by sourcing you to all these examples of corporate welfare on the rise, I'm proving a point. That point is that the free market is increasingly being replaced with one ran by corporate welfare. It is government selection, not natural selection that is more often than not controlling today's economy. There are over 30,000 pages of NAFTA now. I'm not and neither are you, going to dig around and look up all the specific pages. What I can do is source you to things indicating how bad corporate welfare is, as you can source me to things showing how US/Mexican customs inspections and tariffs are being dissolved or controlled by an international agency.

Now I would have no problems with the US dissolving tariffs with Mexico if Mexico had some basic human rights(like not killing union leaders routinely) and things of that nature. But regardless, this power should be left in the hands of the US. Because any country can just have slaves( like china) in work camps produce cheap things. Again, that's not free market. That is a slave market. So we should reserve the right to tariff countries. We are not doing that. We are giving the power to tariff or not to t