John Stossel's opinion of liberals and the media - Page 5

alias · 01-17-2007, 06:31 PM

Give us the reasons why it's a load of bull. Liberals don't want to fight facist islam. They want to negotiate and appease.

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Scrum · 01-17-2007, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by alias

Give us the reasons why it's a load of bull. Liberals don't want to fight facist islam. They want to negotiate and appease.
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We did want to fight radical islam. In Afghanistan where it was. Not in Iraq where it wasn't.

Diamond Cross · 01-17-2007, 06:36 PM

Why don't you prove your statements about liberals. The problem is you're you prejudice on the worse of them. And exactly how are Christians the only ones fighting against Islam?

I get sick of Thorgrim's constant demonising of the Gop and I get sick of hearing this bullshit about liberals.

Scrum · 01-17-2007, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby

I agree. You're not intolerant if you're not trying to stop them. You'd be intolerant if you wanted to legislate something that would prevent Phelps and his people from saying what they want to say, as in the case of "blocking the KKK from running a protest at a jewish persons funeral."

It's still not intolerant. Illegal? Immoral? Sure, but intolerant? No.

You keep wanting to draw the line right where you see it, which is the same thing you are accusing"liberals" of.

Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby

We are specifically discussing your views, as the views expressed by you are the shared views expressed by the majority of progressive liberals in America (you even declare yourself to be a "progressivist," right?). If you take it personally, then I don't really know what to tell you other than it might serve you best to opt out of discussions that might challenge what you believe. The sheer fact that you're getting all grumpy when I attack these views is only indicative of my point.

Just keep from using the term "you" over and over again and then spitting out this bullshit that you think all liberals think.

Dumpy Dooby · 01-17-2007, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by Diamond Cross

Now that is nothing more than a load of bull.

Christians are the ones who're standing between Muslim control of this Country?

How like a Christian to take credit for everything good.

I think he was trying to say that liberals want total control of this country, not necessarily Muslims.

Dumpy Dooby · 01-17-2007, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

It's still not intolerant. Illegal? Immoral? Sure, but intolerant? No.

That's exactly what it is. You're not tolerating their opinion, and you're violating their right to assemble peacefully.

You keep wanting to draw the line right where you see it, which is the same thing you are accusing"liberals" of.

I'm basing my position on objectivity, not emotion. It's really quite simple: If one is not violating the rights of others, then why should one's liberties be violated?

Just keep from using the term "you" over and over again and then spitting out this bullshit that you think all liberals think.

When beginning this discussion with you, I specifically said, "This is the biggest problem I have with American liberals (in general)." [link] So in the great words of another poster, "Please try and keep up with the discussion."

alias · 01-17-2007, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby

I think he was trying to say that liberals want total control of this country, not necessarily Muslims.

Yes. Although I do believe muslims also want total control of the USA, but are just not saying it. The enemy to liberals are the Christians. The proof of that is the constant attacks on Bush from day one. Liberals are attacking everything Christian. Taking down crosses, removing Chrstian symbols, nothing in the schools, etc. The new age liberals and their homosexual brothers and sisters have virtually taken over the school system. Our kids are not getting dumber because of conservatives. The conservatives are taking their kids out of the public indoctrination ivory towers and educating them in real schools like private schools and home schools.

Dumpy Dooby · 01-17-2007, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by alias

Yes. Although I do believe muslims also want total control of the USA, but are just not saying it. The enemy to liberals are the Christians. The proof of that is the constant attacks on Bush from day one. Liberals are attacking everything Christian. Taking down crosses, removing Chrstian symbols, nothing in the schools, etc. The new age liberals and their homosexual brothers and sisters have virtually taken over the school system. Our kids are not getting dumber because of conservatives. The conservatives are taking their kids out of the public indoctrination ivory towers and educating them in real schools like private schools and home schools.

Do you not recognize that that "new age liberals and their homosexual brothers and sisters" can be just as Christian as their conservative counterparts?

Pro Street · 01-17-2007, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by alias

Yes. Although I do believe muslims also want total control of the USA, but are just not saying it. The enemy to liberals are the Christians. The proof of that is the constant attacks on Bush from day one. Liberals are attacking everything Christian. Taking down crosses, removing Chrstian symbols, nothing in the schools, etc. The new age liberals and their homosexual brothers and sisters have virtually taken over the school system. Our kids are not getting dumber because of conservatives. The conservatives are taking their kids out of the public indoctrination ivory towers and educating them in real schools like private schools and home schools.

would it be ok for me to place a Buddhist statue in a school hallway?

alias · 01-17-2007, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby

Do you not recognize that that "new age liberals and their homosexual brothers and sisters" can be just as Christian as their conservative counterparts?

No I don't. Christianity condemns homosexuality. Jesus stated perfectly clear in Matthew 19 that marriage was between a male and a female. The old and New testaments both condemn Christianity.

RMNIXON · 01-17-2007, 07:23 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

by your definition of 'tolerance', you are only tolerant of those things you agree with. So that would make you non-tolerant of much of the world's population

It also means they get to define what tolerence is and is not and then they become that. Calling people racists and bigots for example if you disagree with affirmative action or illegal immigration. So much for debate.

Pro Street · 01-17-2007, 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by alias

No I don't. Christianity condemns homosexuality. Jesus stated perfectly clear in Matthew 19 that marriage was between a male and a female. The old and New testaments both condemn Christianity.

So if you're a homosexual you can't believe in God or that Jesus died for the sins of humanity?

By definition of one who can be Christian and who can be saved, as long as one truely believes in his/her heart that Jesus is thier savior, they are destined to heaven, because of Jesus solving the issue of sin.

kinggovernor · 01-17-2007, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

It also means they get to define what tolerence is and is not and then they become that. Calling people racists and bigots for example if you disagree with affirmative action or illegal immigration. So much for debate.

exactly, their definition of "tolerant" excludes most people because it is a judgement rather than a definition

Dumpy Dooby · 01-17-2007, 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by alias

No I don't. Christianity condemns homosexuality. Jesus stated perfectly clear in Matthew 19 that marriage was between a male and a female. The old and New testaments both condemn Christianity.

You're going to be a fun one over in the religious forum. Inserting the NTS fallacy has been done ad infinitum, but whatever tickles your fancy. Rest assured that mainstream Christianity has very little to do with the teachings of Christ. Do you think that people go to Hell for being homosexual?

edit: Maybe this part of the discussion should be held in the religious forum. Feel free to start a thread telling us your beliefs on the subject. I'll reply in there.

alias · 01-17-2007, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by Pro Street

So if you're a homosexual you can't believe in God or that Jesus died for the sins of humanity?

By definition of one who can be Christian and who can be saved, as long as one truely believes in his/her heart that Jesus is thier savior, they are destined to heaven, because of Jesus solving the issue of sin.

Saving someone is God's business. I'm just stating what the bible says about homosexuality. In 1 Corinthians 6:9, it clearly states that homosexuals among the others listed will not inherit the Kingdom of God. It also lists a bunch of other people.

That is what it says. As for my opinion, God can do whatever he wants. I would be looking for loopholes if I was one of those people.

Dumpy Dooby · 01-17-2007, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by alias

Saving someone is God's business. I'm just stating what the bible says about homosexuality. In 1 Corinthians 6:9, it clearly states that homosexuals among the others listed will not inherit the Kingdom of God. It also lists a bunch of other people.

That is what it says. As for my opinion, God can do whatever he wants. I would be looking for loopholes if I was one of those people.

The Bible also says that everyone will be forgiven for their sins against man, but again, let's take this to the religious forum.

Pro Street · 01-17-2007, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by alias

Saving someone is God's business. I'm just stating what the bible says about homosexuality. In 1 Corinthians 6:9, it clearly states that homosexuals among the others listed will not inherit the Kingdom of God. It also lists a bunch of other people.

That is what it says. As for my opinion, God can do whatever he wants. I would be looking for loopholes if I was one of those people.

No.. there's no question on this issue.

Man was born with sin.
God said all those with sin were not allowed to heaven
God was reborn as Jesus, and as such was born with Sin
from that when Jesus died rose, it created the loophole allowing man to heaven

the loophole is what allows ANYONE who accepts Jesus as thier savior to goto heaven. This means the crackwhore down the street. The KKK member in Alabama. The bleeding heart liberal hippie in California. And the lesbian couple a few blocks down.

According to most, if not all, denominations of Christianity, if you truely believe JEsus is your savior and accept him, then you will get God's love.

Closed minded people who try to do literal Bible interpetations (when it's convienent) fail to see that they don't even know thier own religion.

alias · 01-17-2007, 08:50 PM

God loves everyone no matter what as I understand it. I read 1 romans 18-32 and 1 Corinthians 6:9 and I don't see everyone getting into heaven. I need glasses to read, but I don't need glasses to comprehend what it says. That takes common sense.

Diamond Cross · 01-17-2007, 08:58 PM

If mainstream Christians have little to do with the Bible or Christianity, then they can't be Christians.

The Bible is the final guide on what makes Christians. And not some evangelical.

And yes, the Bible does condemn Homosexuality. It doesn't say that it can't be forgiven, but in order to be forgiven one must not do the sin anymore, so that means in order to be forgiven for the sin of homosexuality, one must not be a homosexual any more. Just like one must give up adultry and stealing and so on.

It's not like the next day Christians where they do the sin, ask to be forgiven the next day, then do the sin again. that's not real Christian behavior. For it says that the person doing that who claims to be a Christian does not truly believe in their heart.

Harsh, but that's what being a Christian means, not just tweaking the bible to suit one's needs.