Is anyone else annoyed that Bush won't pardon the border agents?

[Joerides]

Why are people supporting the rights of a KNOWN DRUG SMUGGLER over those of law enforcement? Could it be that their acts put a crimp in your supply of weed? It's easy to judge these things when your adrenalin isn't running, you're chasing someone you know to be dangerous, and he turns toward you while chasing him. My only regret is that he didn't die, then we wouldn't be facing the prospect of a $5 million lawsuit against the US by an illegal immigrant drug smuggler. What a bunch of pinheads. Prosecute drug smugglers, not law enforcement doing their job.

[SoFlaJDM]

the law needs to be followed by everyone, does it not?

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by Joerides

Why are people supporting the rights of a KNOWN DRUG SMUGGLER over those of law enforcement? Could it be that their acts put a crimp in your supply of weed? It's easy to judge these things when your adrenalin isn't running, you're chasing someone you know to be dangerous, and he turns toward you while chasing him. My only regret is that he didn't die, then we wouldn't be facing the prospect of a $5 million lawsuit against the US by an illegal immigrant drug smuggler. What a bunch of pinheads. Prosecute drug smugglers, not law enforcement doing their job.

How could they be doing their job when they break not only their regulations but regulations they teach others?

[MKULTRA]

It is obvious to me, and it has been, after monitoring this issue over the years, that our government will side with drug dealers and foreign governments before they will side with their own border patrol agents in the people living in that war zone down there we call SW Texas. Some of you should ask yourselves why this is and start following the money trail.

[7960]

Originally Posted by Joerides

Why are people supporting the rights of a KNOWN DRUG SMUGGLER over those of law enforcement? Could it be that their acts put a crimp in your supply of weed?

I don't smoke and I think they were wrong.

Originally Posted by MKULTRA

It is obvious to me, and it has been, after monitoring this issue over the years, that our government will side with drug dealers and foreign governments before they will side with their own border patrol agents in the people living in that war zone down there we call SW Texas. Some of you should ask yourselves why this is and start following the money trail.

Of course...rather than ask our border patrol to follow OUR laws there MUST be some payoffs going to higher-ups in the border patrol, attorney general, congress, and the white house

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

Agents were wrong. They got what they deserved. Whatever the guy was doing (dealing drugs is not the same as smuggling drugs BTW) if it didn't include threatening the officers or someone else with harm, they should not have shot him.

BULLSHIT!!!!!!
That scumbastard should have been shot and shot well enough to end his worthless ,miserable life!
They got what they deserved???
BULLSHIT again!
When will Americans stop bending over BACKWARDS to protect the guilty while happppppppppily condemning law enforcement?
Your opinion is as backassward as I have ever seen one!
I agree with the other poster, the bastard should have been shot!!!
I will walk out into the middle of my street to meet anybody cruising by to run over me!-TZS

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot

BULLSHIT!!!!!!
That scumbastard should have been shot and shot well enough to end his worthless ,miserable life!
They got what they deserved???
BULLSHIT again!
When will Americans stop bending over BACKWARDS to protect the guilty while happppppppppily condemning law enforcement?
Your opinion is as backassward as I have ever seen one!
I agree with the other poster, the bastard should have been shot!!!
I will walk out into the middle of my street to meet anybody cruising by to run over me!-TZS

So you don't believe in order, regulations and the rule of law?

That's pretty liberal of you

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

So you don't believe in order, regulations and the rule of law?

That's pretty liberal of you

HA!
I do believe, I do believe , praise God I do believe!

I also do believe that those border patrol officers could and likely were
shafted by the legal system because it involved the illegal immigrant issue, it involved the future mexican vote issue . In addition the government wanted to send a warning signal about ANYBODY SHOOTING ILLEGAL INVADERS!!!!
Even Bush previously called that group American observers at the Mexican border vigilantees!
I CONDEMN BUSH FOR THIS AND HE GETS NO PASS FROM ME ON THIS!!!!!

If I owned land joining the mexican border I would shoot every varmint that attempted illegal invasion! Thats a fact.
Americans had better soon start standing up for our national soveriegnty!-TZS

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot

HA!
I do believe, I do believe , praise God I do believe!

I also do believe that those border patrol officers could and likely were
shafted by the legal system because it involved the illegal immigrant issue, it involved the future mexican vote issue . In addition the government wanted to send a warning signal about ANYBODY SHOOTING ILLEGAL INVADERS!!!!
Even Bush previously called that group American observers at the Mexican border vigilantees!
I CONDEMN BUSH FOR THIS AND HE GETS NO PASS FROM ME ON THIS!!!!!

If I owned land joining the mexican border I would shoot every varmint that attempted illegal invasion! Thats a fact.
Americans had better soon start standing up for our national soveriegnty!-TZS

It was US Federal prosecutors that handled the case, and as mentioned before, it was an open hearing no one has found a fault with...

Our Federal prosecutor for that district showed a jury that they breached regulations, violated their own rules they were teaching new agents about, and otherwise violated their direct orders...they were brought to justice for their violations in an attempt to restore order, and 12 Americans found them guilty beyond any reasonable doubt.

The facts and the verdict show they were clearly guilty, to do anything else than what was done would denegrate order and the rule of law.

[7960]

Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot

When will Americans stop bending over BACKWARDS to protect the guilty while happppppppppily condemning law enforcement?

I can't believe I'm going to have to say this again.......... IN THIS CASE LAW ENFORCEMENT *IS* GUILTY!

Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot

ANYBODY SHOOTING ILLEGAL INVADERS!!!!

But IT IS ILLEGAL TO SHOOT THEM! Christ, is it that difficult to understand? Cops are supposed to be the FIRST line of defense in keeping the law. In this case they BROKE THE LAW.

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Originally Posted by 7960

I can't believe I'm going to have to say this again.......... IN THIS CASE LAW ENFORCEMENT *IS* GUILTY!


But IT IS ILLEGAL TO SHOOT THEM! Christ, is it that difficult to understand? Cops are supposed to be the FIRST line of defense in keeping the law. In this case they BROKE THE LAW.

I am well aware of the fact that it is illegal to shoot them.
That is exactly where the law is wrong.
So these invaders are allowed to just waltz into our country at will?
Because that is exactly what IS BEING ALLOWED TO HAPPEN!
So we have become so sensitive ,so liberal , so puny ,so cowardly
that we may be invaded at will by unarmed peoples!?
Ridiculous to say the least!
This policy of allowing this INVASION travesty has been allowed to happen why?
Because the socialist mainstream media, socialist dems and other appeasing idiots have no concept of national security .
Or because the ideal of patriotism has been painted to be a dirty word.
I get the idea though , allow enough illegal peoples into our country to weaken it even more.
Allow those peoples to retain thier original national identity. Do not make them speak english, hell no!
Later give them right to vote.
As STUPID non-patriotic voters they will almost certainly vote for democrats.
I got it.-TZS

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot

So these invaders are allowed to just waltz into our country at will?
Because that is exactly what IS BEING ALLOWED TO HAPPEN!

They shouldn't be allowed to waltz into our country at will. But we shouldn't allow our police to shoot them at will either.

So we have become so sensitive ,so liberal , so puny ,so cowardly
that we may be invaded at will by unarmed peoples!?

If they're unarmed why do we need to shoot them?

This policy of allowing this INVASION travesty has been allowed to happen why?

Arresting someone for violating the law has absolutely nothing to do with allowing illegal immigration. Punishing criminals should have no effect on immigration. It's one thing to be for immigration reform, it's completely another thing to be accepting of shooting unarmed immigrants simply because you're against illegal immigration.

Because the socialist mainstream media, socialist dems and other appeasing idiots have no concept of national security .

This case has nothing to do with the mainstream media, socialism or national security. Those are larger issues of the bigger picture. When it comes down to it we have two officers who fired at an unarmed man and further violated the law in an attempt to cover it up. What we have is a much larger case of corruption and criminal behavior.

Or because the ideal of patriotism has been painted to be a dirty word.
I get the idea though , allow enough illegal peoples into our country to weaken it even more.

There is nothing patriotic about what the border patrol agents did. This has nothing to do with patriotism. This has to do with taking criminals and putting them behind bars. It would be nice if the illegals received a similar fate, however, that doesn't mean we should allow our criminals to get away with their crimes.

Allow those peoples to retain thier original national identity. Do not make them speak english, hell no!
Later give them right to vote.
As STUPID non-patriotic voters they will almost certainly vote for democrats.
I got it.-TZS

What does this have to do with language, voting, patriotism, democrats? This has to do with one crime and two Americans involved. Pardoning two criminals solely because their crime was against illegals is not justice, it is not patriotic and it sure as hell isn't American.

[7960]

Originally Posted by Tyr-Ziu Saxnot

I am well aware of the fact that it is illegal to shoot them (with "them" being "unarmed peoples").
That is exactly where the law is wrong.

Let's stop right there and get this straight. So you think it should be OK and legal for our border patrol to indiscriminately shoot unarmed mexicans crossing the border?

This requires just a YES or NO answer.

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by 7960

Let's stop right there and get this straight. So you think it should be OK and legal for our border patrol to indiscriminately shoot unarmed mexicans crossing the border?

This requires just a YES or NO answer.

That might keep them from crossing so easily

[7960]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

That might keep them from crossing so easily

This is what's wrong with this country ... ask a simple question with a yes or no answer and get back a smartass reply. The question was worded such that it only needed a yes/no answer and you still thought it would be funny/appropriate/"cool" to post this shit........Here, I'll even dumb it down and make it like high school for you:

Yes or no, should our southern border patrol openly shoot anyone walking from the south toward the north?

or

reply and keep the one you want and delete the other

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by 7960

This is what's wrong with this country ... ask a simple question with a yes or no answer and get back a smartass reply. The question was worded such that it only needed a yes/no answer and you still thought it would be funny/appropriate/"cool" to post this shit........Here, I'll even dumb it down and make it like high school for you:

Yes or no, should our southern border patrol openly shoot anyone walking from the south toward the north?

or

reply and keep the one you want and delete the other

My mistake; I was under the impression the question was directed towards another poster. I'm definitely what's wrong with this country.

[7960]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

My mistake; I was under the impression the question was directed towards another poster. I'm definitely what's wrong with this country.

It makes it even more ironic that I was actually quoting and mocking you in that post

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

This is an example of what's exactly wrong with this country......

Is anyone else annoyed that Bush won't pardon the border agents?

[Tyr-Ziu Saxnot]

Originally Posted by JaJae

They shouldn't be allowed to waltz into our country at will. --
1. We agree on this.-TZS

But we shouldn't allow our police to shoot them at will either.
1. Perhaps we should? Other nations protect thier borders by shooting1-TZS

If they're unarmed why do we need to shoot them?
1. Who says they are all unarmed? Besides the kid gloves approach has led to millionms of invaders waltzing across!-TZS


It's one thing to be for immigration reform, it's completely another thing to be accepting of shooting unarmed immigrants simply because you're against illegal immigration.

1. Either shoot them or stop them by other means!!!!!-TZS


This case has nothing to do with the mainstream media, socialism or national security. Those are larger issues of the bigger picture. When it comes down to it we have two officers who fired at an unarmed man and further violated the law in an attempt to cover it up. What we have is a much larger case of corruption and criminal behavior.

1. This case was a federal prosecution . It more than likely had a great deal of higher up government PC interference! Liberalism,socialism ,PCism is rampant thru all levels of our society and government. Denying that fact does not change the truth.-TZS

2. Who says he is/was unarmed man? Unarmed when?
When they found him later in Mexico?
Sure makes sense , all drug smugglers go UNARMED! After all the mexican/American border is so safe!-ha!-TZS


There is nothing patriotic about what the border patrol agents did. This has nothing to do with patriotism. This has to do with taking criminals and putting them behind bars. It would be nice if the illegals received a similar fate, however, that doesn't mean we should allow our criminals to get away with their crimes.

1. Ah , but this illegal got rewarded! Once again the ole reward the illegal invader policy in action! This criminal got immunity from prosecution as a reward for testifying . Think maybe the bastard lied ? huh?
After all he had lots to gain.--TZS



What does this have to do with language, voting, patriotism, democrats? This has to do with one crime and two Americans involved. Pardoning two criminals solely because their crime was against illegals is not justice, it is not patriotic and it sure as hell isn't American.

1. We disagree on this part as well. It displays just how far our government
will go to give unlimited protection to illegals and in this case to criminals!
I do not believe for one second that our government kept its PC hand out of the prosecution of this case!!!
If you do then good for you. I have no such belief!!!!!-TZS