Conservatives: How much do you agree with terrorists critiques of America?

[Thorgrim]

Dinesh D'Souze was on the Colbert Report and talked about how he agreed with muslim terrorists like bin Laden on the problems with our culture

http://www.crooksandliars.com/Media/...ert-DSouza.wmv

For those of you outside the know, he worked as a senior policy wonk for Reagan and personally he dated Coulter and almost married Laura Ingraham

Dinesh D'Souza - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Muslim terrorists embrace values that condemn homosexuality, feminism, harsh penalties for drug users, harsh penalties for thieves/criminals, anti-fornication, censorship, lashing out at those who do not follow the faith and its religious values of the country...many more

Ofcourse they reject the "excessive culture" which is at the root of american traditionalists and even in some cases economic conservatives

How many of those values and others do you agree with Osama bin Laden?

Dinesh was honest enough to admit he agreed with many of bin Laden's ideals, are you honest enough?

[RMNIXON]

Fox is a Joke but we have serious discussion of what was on Colbert Repoot?


But seriously I was wondering how long it would take for someone to get around to this. It is the same liberal argument that suggest "law and order" people are just like Nazi's. I don't share their extreme values (that you left very ill defined) and certainly not the way they go about enforcing them! I am ready for condemnation any time! I hear very little however from those who think we just need to understand and respect other cultures and not impose our notions of individual rights and freedoms and other values on them. What conservative is pushing that agenda in our Foreign Policy and our Schools?

[Thorgrim]

Colbert may run a comedy show, but the people on his show are often trying to make serious points...there was no doubt Dinesh was trying to make his serious policy arguments

it's not the credibility of comedy central, its about the credibility of specific guests...

[Thorgrim]

I'm bumping this at the request of Nixon that we all look at this thread

[RMNIXON]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

I'm bumping this at the request of Nixon that we all look at this thread

In relation to your other post. LINK THAT!

Get me a ruling Umpire!

[RMNIXON]

"The Nazis also wanted a stronger military, I guess we should shrink ours!"


Compare and contrast......

[Thorgrim]

The difference is that muslim fundamentalist and christian fundamentalists have very strong cultural views that basically mimic each other

bombing israel or america, that's foreign policy that goes beyond the scope of this thread

I am talking about fundamentalists in Egypt thinking about their idea of how Egypt should run...compare that to fundies view on how America should run

That is A LOT closer than going "Europe is socialist...which is lefty, and the nazis called themselves socialists so omg liberals are half nazi!"

It was liberal Germans who tried to kill Hitler, and traditionalists that went along with him

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Muslim terrorists embrace values that condemn homosexuality, feminism, harsh penalties for drug users, harsh penalties for thieves/criminals, anti-fornication, censorship, lashing out at those who do not follow the faith and its religious values of the country...many more

There's degrees of acceptance of these ideals. Muslim terrorists believe so strongly in this that they are willing to kill. Some Americans might read a paper about feminism and say out loud "What a fucking idiot", but they wouldn't want to kill feminists.

To say conservatives "embrace" terrorist ideals is quite a bit overboard and exaggerated. It's taking it to extreme levels. You can generalize liberals and say they're communists too... government healthcare, redistribution of wealth, anti-corporation, etc etc. We can go right down the list and say liberals "embrace" the ideals of communism. But surely that isn't the case. They may agree to varying degrees with some ideals, but that doesn't mean they embrace it. Making such a claim would be false, extreme and very antagonizing.

[RMNIXON]

Originally Posted by JaJae

There's degrees of acceptance of these ideals. Muslim terrorists believe so strongly in this that they are willing to kill. Some Americans might read a paper about feminism and say out loud "What a fucking idiot", but they wouldn't want to kill feminist.

To say you conservatives "embrace" terrorist ideals is quite a bit overboard and exaggerated. It's taking it to extreme levels. You can generalize liberals and say they're communists too... government healthcare, redistribution of wealth, anti-corporation, etc etc. We can go right down the list and say liberals "embrace" the ideals of communism. But surely that isn't the case. They may agree to varying degrees with some ideals, but that doesn't mean they embrace it. Making such a claim would be false, extreme and very antagonizing.

Got it!

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by JaJae

There's degrees of acceptance of these ideals. Muslim terrorists believe so strongly in this that they are willing to kill. Some Americans might read a paper about feminism and say out loud "What a fucking idiot", but they wouldn't want to kill feminists.

They would kill over issues, race, homosexuality, abortion, non-christianity, etc

To say conservatives "embrace" terrorist ideals is quite a bit overboard and exaggerated. It's taking it to extreme levels. You can generalize liberals and say they're communists too... government healthcare, redistribution of wealth, anti-corporation, etc etc. We can go right down the list and say liberals "embrace" the ideals of communism. But surely that isn't the case. They may agree to varying degrees with some ideals, but that doesn't mean they embrace it. Making such a claim would be false, extreme and very antagonizing.

I don't think it's extreme because some admit to it, like the start of this thread shows

liberals and communism is a bad example because they have a huge significant value difference, liberals believe in a vibrant relatively free market that is supported and partially regulated by the government, communists/socialists believe in state control

ALL communists and ALL liberals disagree over that, what VALUE do ALL muslims and ALL christians disagree over?

You are arguing that communism IS A MORE EXTREME FORM of liberalism

I am saying "hellfire and damnation" old testament christianity and even non-violent sunni traditionalists have almost identical values...which isn't shocking considering they both originate many of their beliefs from the torah

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

They would kill over issues, race, homosexuality, abortion, non-christianity, etc

Then the flip-side... liberals would kill for enviornmental reasons, animal rights, etc. If you're going to go to these extreme measures you can classify any political group (well maybe not libertarians) as being terrorists.

I don't think it's extreme because some admit to it, like the start of this thread shows

liberals and communism is a bad example because they have a huge significant value difference, liberals believe in a vibrant relatively free market that is supported and partially regulated by the government, communists/socialists believe in state control

ALL communists and ALL liberals disagree over that, what VALUE do ALL muslims and ALL christians disagree over?

You are arguing that communism IS A MORE EXTREME FORM of liberalism

I am saying "hellfire and damnation" old testament christianity and even non-violent sunni traditionalists have almost identical values...which isn't shocking considering they both originate many of their beliefs from the torah

Some admit to it? Well what if some liberals admit to believing in some communist ideals? Does that mean liberals embrace communism? Certainly not.
So you can break down the value differences between liberals and communists, but can't seem to do so for conservatives and Mulsim terrorists. I think your personal beliefs might be getting in the way of a rational argument on this issue.

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Muslim terrorists embrace values that condemn homosexuality

I don't condemn anybody, as I feel it's not my place to make such a judgement

feminism,

Does anybody disagree with women's rights?

harsh penalties for drug users, harsh penalties for thieves/criminals,

You'll have to define 'harsh' but I have no problem punishing those that break the law.

[/quote]anti-fornication,[/quote]Moral choices are up to the individual. I can only call them 'moral' or 'immoral'.

censorship,

What kind of censorship?

lashing out at those who do not follow the faith and its religious values of the country...many more

I don't know anybody that 'lashes out' at someone for following a different religion other than their own...

Ofcourse they reject the "excessive culture" which is at the root of american traditionalists and even in some cases economic conservatives

I also don't know anybody that 'rejects an excessive culture'; I choose not to eat as much for my own personal health, but I don't tell others how much they can eat.

[RMNIXON]

No need to play word games. The meaning is clear.

1. If I believe in gender equality but don't buy into the eternal victimhood of the modern feminists and the evil patriarchy, including affirmative action, lower standards for the military, fire, and police to get more women involved I am a sexist bigot just like Al-Qaeda.....bring on the chains and the burka!

2. If I think Homosexuals should be free to live their life whatever way they want in the privacy of their own homes, but don't think we should change a many thousdands of years definition of marriage to make people feel inclusive I am just like Al-Qaeda and want to bash a Homo to death....


I am just like Osama!

Now are we done with the Hate fest? This thread is a guilt by association smear tactic. Notice how a "question" was asked but not answered in the original post? Is that honest? There is no civil argument. It is totally vile and I wonder why the repost?

[Thorgrim]

Many conservatives believe homosexuality is a mental illness and sin that should be "cured"

That women going out to establish themselves in a career is ruining our society because they should stay at home in the kitchen and prepare themselves for a suitor to become a housewife

That fornication is let go in our society and needs to be curbed

Many 'mainstream' christian groups also believe movies should be edited to take out swearing, nudity, and violence

As seen via the "koran swearing in" there is a belief that those who are not judeo-christians are not American...it was Bush I who said he wasn't sure if atheists were Americans

Dinesh and Dobson and others blame us for a culture of excess...Robertson and Falwell went so far as to blame our American culture for 9/11

[Diesel66]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Many conservatives believe homosexuality is a mental illness and sin that should be "cured"

And ? How is that any of your business. Religious/moral views are private.

That women going out to establish themselves in a career is ruining our society because they should stay at home in the kitchen and prepare themselves for a suitor to become a housewife

not really. The more radical feminiests who want gender neutral and who have no problem with punishing boys for acting like boys are an issue.

That fornication is let go in our society and needs to be curbed

Children born out of wedlock is 34% overall with 60% for blacks and 50% for hispanics. That is a real scary issue that needs to be talked about.

Many 'mainstream' christian groups also believe movies should be edited to take out swearing, nudity, and violence

they are idiots. You can censor your stuff all you want, but not mine.

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Many conservatives believe homosexuality is a mental illness and sin that should be "cured"

Ok? Many people think a lot of weird things.

That women going out to establish themselves in a career is ruining our society because they should stay at home in the kitchen and prepare themselves for a suitor to become a housewife

I don't know anybody that believes that.

That fornication is let go in our society and needs to be curbed

Hasn't fornication always been around? Aren't there prostitutes in teh Bible?

Many 'mainstream' christian groups also believe movies should be edited to take out swearing, nudity, and violence

Uh, no I don't think any Christian group wants people to edit their stuff. They prefer to buy edited things for their own pleasure.

As seen via the "koran swearing in" there is a belief that those who are not judeo-christians are not American...it was Bush I who said he wasn't sure if atheists were Americans

Nobody said he was un-American.

Dinesh and Dobson and others blame us for a culture of excess...Robertson and Falwell went so far as to blame our American culture for 9/11

I blame our culture of excess for our obesity problem. I'm sure some may attribute such a culture to other problems too. Would you disagree with such a concept?

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