Are murdering abortion clinic bombers terrorists?

Thorgrim · 01-20-2007, 03:40 PM

Eric Robert Rudolph, also known as the Olympic Park Bomber (born September 19, 1966) is an American anti-abortion extremist and domestic terrorist who committed a series of bombings across the southern United States, which killed three people and injured at least 150 others. Rudolph is a Catholic,[1] and according to CNN was also "connected with the Christian Identity movement, a militant, racist, and anti-Semitic organization."[2] He declared that his bombings were part of a guerrilla campaign against abortion, what he describes as "the homosexual agenda," and perceived support for it from the United States government. He spent years as the FBI's most wanted criminal fugitive, but was eventually caught. In 2005 Rudolph pled guilty to numerous federal and state homicide charges and accepted five consecutive life sentences in exchange for avoiding a trial and the death penalty.

Rudolph has also confessed to the bombings of an abortion clinic in the Atlanta suburb of Sandy Springs on January 16, 1997, a gay and lesbian nightclub, the Otherside Lounge, in Atlanta on February 21, 1997, injuring five, and an abortion clinic in Birmingham, Alabama on January 29, 1998, killing officer Robert Sanderson and critically injuring nurse Emily Lyons. Rudolph's bombs were made of dynamite surrounded by nails which acted as shrapnel.

Eric Robert Rudolph - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So is this terrorism? Would you label him a Christian Terrorist or is the same as someone who holds up a bank with a pez dispenser and runs out with a bag of money?

Here is one organization:
The Army of God - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ironically, thats the exact name of Hezbollah

Now, are they terrorists, or a legitimate political movement?

Wikipedia has a write-up of several examples:
Christian extremist terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Which have killed thousands of people, probably more, in the past several decades

Ofcourse, if we went back to turn of the 20th century, we'd have tens maybe hundreds of thousands of "christian terrorism" murders

RMNIXON · 01-20-2007, 04:37 PM

If he acted as part of a larger group agenda, then yes he would be. If he is a lone nut, then No. Just a nut! The evidence for this is not what "he" claims!

I would give capital punishment for any deaths involved in either case!

What is your point?

I don't understand?

ballz2wallz · 01-20-2007, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

If he acted as part of a larger group agenda, then yes he would be. If he is a lone nut, then No. Just a nut! The evidence for this is not what "he" claims!

I would give capital punishment for any deaths involved in either case!

What is your point?

I don't understand?

Thorgrim · 01-20-2007, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

If he acted as part of a larger group agenda, then yes he would be. If he is a lone nut, then No. Just a nut! The evidence for this is not what "he" claims!

I would give capital punishment for any deaths involved in either case!

What is your point?

I don't understand?

Since when does terrorism have to involve 2 people instead of 1? However many actions here have been shown to be linked with groups

If a lone Palestinian, on his own with no help, walks into a israeli mall and blows up 20 children with a selfmade bomb, is he not a terrorist?

If a lone islamist blew up a daycare center in America on his own without any help...would you be on TV going "no no no, he's not a terrorist!!! It was just a lone act by one guy, no group helped him do this!"

Ardentfrost · 01-20-2007, 05:04 PM

I fail to see how a difference can be made in a terrorist organization and a lone terrorist. If someone is terrorizing a specific group of people, they're a terrorist. Religion, being a member of a group... that shit doesn't matter. Terrorism is a method and that is all. If I go out and kill postal employees en mass so that postal employees are scared to go to work, I'm a terrorist.

RMNIXON · 01-20-2007, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by Ardentfrost

I fail to see how a difference can be made in a terrorist organization and a lone terrorist. If someone is terrorizing a specific group of people, they're a terrorist. Religion, being a member of a group... that shit doesn't matter. Terrorism is a method and that is all. If I go out and kill postal employees en mass so that postal employees are scared to go to work, I'm a terrorist.

OK, but you missed the thread topic.....

The smear which is the intent......

Because I claim to act on behalf of your group means "I do" act on behalf of your group!

Read the lead thread and tell me you agree with that!

Ardentfrost · 01-20-2007, 05:20 PM

Neither muslims or christians are terrorist organizations. Not all christians agree with the bombing of gay clubs and not all muslims agree with bombing America. However, you can be a terrorist in the NAME of a religion (killing in the name of God) which happens all the time from just about every religion (I don't know if any terrorist buddists off hand).

I think Thor is trying to get people to admit that christians can also be terrorists, which I don't know how people wouldn't agree with that.

So, I do agree that bombers of abortion clinics are terrorists. They are probably telling themselves that they are doing God's will. That doesn't make them right and it certainly doesn't make christians terrorists (it makes some terrorists christians). It's the same way for muslims.

I could draw a Vin diagram in mspaint if you'd like.

Thorgrim · 01-20-2007, 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by Ardentfrost

Neither muslims or christians are terrorist organizations. Not all christians agree with the bombing of gay clubs and not all muslims agree with bombing America. However, you can be a terrorist in the NAME of a religion (killing in the name of God) which happens all the time from just about every religion (I don't know if any terrorist buddists off hand).

I think Thor is trying to get people to admit that christians can also be terrorists, which I don't know how people wouldn't agree with that.

So, I do agree that bombers of abortion clinics are terrorists. They are probably telling themselves that they are doing God's will. That doesn't make them right and it certainly doesn't make christians terrorists (it makes some terrorists christians). It's the same way for muslims.

I could draw a Vin diagram in mspaint if you'd like.

I don't think we'll ever get to the bottom of this without a vin diagram, please post it

RMNIXON · 01-20-2007, 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by Ardentfrost

Neither muslims or christians are terrorist organizations. Not all christians agree with the bombing of gay clubs and not all muslims agree with bombing America. However, you can be a terrorist in the NAME of a religion (killing in the name of God) which happens all the time from just about every religion (I don't know if any terrorist buddists off hand).

I think Thor is trying to get people to admit that christians can also be terrorists, which I don't know how people wouldn't agree with that.

So, I do agree that bombers of abortion clinics are terrorists. They are probably telling themselves that they are doing God's will. That doesn't make them right and it certainly doesn't make christians terrorists (it makes some terrorists christians). It's the same way for muslims.

I could draw a Vin diagram in mspaint if you'd like.

How close to Capital punishment should I get? Fuck that, lets argue over what we call them. Full ACLU defense to the core! Victims of Catholic Church brain washing. Life terms at the most! And no prison unless they get proper approved psychiatric care. That is a key point!

Scrum · 01-20-2007, 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

OK, but you missed the thread topic.....

The smear which is the intent......

Because I claim to act on behalf of your group means "I do" act on behalf of your group!

Read the lead thread and tell me you agree with that!

No true Scotsman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

RMNIXON · 01-20-2007, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

No true Scotsman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I did very well with logic in college!

And Uncle Angus is damn Irish. Well, like he knows who was the father!

Diesel66 · 01-20-2007, 07:31 PM

All depends if he used terror tactics or not. That asshole is a terrorist for both the bombings of the clinics and the Olympics

Ardentfrost · 01-20-2007, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

I don't think we'll ever get to the bottom of this without a vin diagram, please post it

lol, ok

Thorgrim · 01-20-2007, 07:40 PM

Excellent, does anyone disagree with the diagram? i think it settles the argument, it was nice debating you all...see you all next issue!

JaJae · 01-20-2007, 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by Diesel66

All depends if he used terror tactics or not. That asshole is a terrorist for both the bombings of the clinics and the Olympics

I concur you don't have to be an anti-American Muslim to be a terrorist. People who bomb animal testing labs are terrorists and people who bomb abortion clinics are terrorists.

Ardentfrost · 01-20-2007, 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

How close to Capital punishment should I get? Fuck that, lets argue over what we call them. Full ACLU defense to the core! Victims of Catholic Church brain washing. Life terms at the most! And no prison unless they get proper approved psychiatric care. That is a key point!

I don't know exactly what you're trying to say here, but I personally have no problems with capital punishment. I don't care if they're christian, muslim, terrorists, sociopaths, or someone with anger issues.

Terrorist has become a buzzword, but I don't understand how people can make a distinction depending on the terrorists background or religion. It's silly and a waste of time.

motivez · 01-20-2007, 08:01 PM

Yes.

RMNIXON · 01-20-2007, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by Ardentfrost

lol, ok

That is not color blind friendly!

ADA!

RMNIXON · 01-20-2007, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by Ardentfrost

I don't know exactly what you're trying to say here, but I personally have no problems with capital punishment. I don't care if they're christian, muslim, terrorists, sociopaths, or someone with anger issues.

Terrorist has become a buzzword, but I don't understand how people can make a distinction depending on the terrorists background or religion. It's silly and a waste of time.

I don't think you understand what the thread author is trying to say? Do you think there is a sudden concern for what happend in 1998 or some other agenda?