Originally Posted by RMNIXON Yes, but if we are still technically at war then they are occupiers who agrivate the North Koreans who have nukes. And No National Guard. There was a military Draft! But that is not my point. We did not run from Korea as is suggested. That ...
01-24-2007, 12:28 AM
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| Audaces fortuna iuvat  Moderate Northern VA 
| Originally Posted by RMNIXON 
I thinky you're reaching and no, there are no NG there right now. There is no combat. No extended tours. And Webb didn't quote Vietnam for a reason...first we support the troops unlike in Vietnam, and also the dems aren't pushing for such a withdraw. McCain earlier mirriored what I feel will happen, a withdraw to the borders after this round fails. | ||||
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01-24-2007, 01:11 AM
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| Banned - Self Imposed  Progressive Philadelphia, PA
| http://www.crooksandliars.com/Media/...7-Response.wmv watching it is even better I'm surprised the right-wingers here won't even acknowledge what a good response it was | ||||
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01-24-2007, 03:53 AM
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| Audaces fortuna iuvat Moderate Northern VA
| Fox News Poll: How did the president do? Excellent: 88% Average: 4% Poor: 10%  | ||||
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01-24-2007, 05:49 AM
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| Banned - Self Imposed Progressive Philadelphia, PA
| Alter: A Powerful Response - Newsweek Between the Lines - MSNBC.com On how Webb's speech was so much better than Bush's | ||||
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01-24-2007, 09:59 AM
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| Anti-War, Anti-State, Pro-Free Market  Capitalist
| Both speeches (SOTUA & Response) were great. This was Bush's best speech in years. Unfortunately, much of what he promised and the Democrats' response promised won't come about, as they never do. | ||||
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01-24-2007, 11:42 AM
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| Administrator  libertarian Oklahoma
| Originally Posted by lew
  I dunno why people are criticizing bush on this speech he did very well  | ||||
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01-24-2007, 01:22 PM
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| Audaces fortuna iuvat Moderate Northern VA
| Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95 Because he said pretty much nothing.
His energy initiatives never get done, hasn't for 6 years. His health plan is just too clunky and honestly I'm not feeling it. | ||||
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01-24-2007, 01:30 PM
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| Anti-War, Anti-State, Pro-Free Market Capitalist
| Originally Posted by Pro Street
Hardly ANY Presidents follow through with their SOTUAs. I wasn't commenting on the actual chance of the plans coming to pass, merely that this was, in fact, one of his best speeches. | ||||
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01-24-2007, 01:32 PM
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| Originally Posted by lew
So he didn't blumber any words... ok (yes I made up blumber but it sounds good) | ||||
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01-24-2007, 01:56 PM
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| Master Debator Election Moderator  Democrat Omaha, NE
| I thought his speech was done very well. Probably his best speech yet. He talked about some key issues that I consider important and said how they would be addressed. I thought Jim Webb's response was very good too. He also brought up issues that I'd like to see the govt. work on. If we were going on the speeches alone and not focusing on the details of the substance, i would say i agree with nearly everything he said. The problem i have is the methods for which they are goin to carry out these goals. Just as one example, immigration reform.. he speaks of it.. it needs to be done.. but his idea is horrible imho. | ||||
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01-24-2007, 03:31 PM
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| Banned - Self Imposed Progressive Philadelphia, PA
| I like this pic:   | ||||
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01-24-2007, 04:43 PM
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| Political Genius  Republican Yorba Linda Ca.
| Originally Posted by Pro Street
He beat American Idol! STATE OF UNION SPEECH PULLS 6.7 RATING/10 SHARE FOR FOX-TV, TOPS NBC'S 6.6 RATING/10 SHARE, 5.7/8 CBS; ABC LAST PLACE AT 5.0/7... MORE... TOTAL BIG 4 'STATE' 24.0 RATING/35 SHARE OVER 'IDOL' 19.0 RATING/28 SHARE ON FOX... DEVELOPING... Still Hope for America and our Culture! 
__________________ Sock It To Me! "Bureaucracy is a Parasite that Preys on Free Thought and Suffocates Free Spirit!" - Douglas Adams | ||||
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01-24-2007, 04:51 PM
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| Political Genius Republican Yorba Linda Ca.
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim
You think this website has any credibility on political analysis?  | ||||
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01-24-2007, 04:53 PM
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| Audaces fortuna iuvat Moderate Northern VA
| Originally Posted by RMNIXON I don't really see the website mattering considering it's a link to a video
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01-24-2007, 04:57 PM
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| Political Genius Republican Yorba Linda Ca.
| Originally Posted by DosEquis
I don't see how any reform will work unless we secure the border first. Anthing approaching amnesty, no matter what you call it, will bring a new wave of people trying to get in before we get angry enough to get serious on the sheer numbers coming over. Good news today with the crackdown on the criminal ones. Sends a message they cannot come an go through this country at will and do what they please.  | ||||
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01-24-2007, 05:04 PM
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| Political Genius Republican Yorba Linda Ca.
| Originally Posted by Pro Street
It is a trash Bush website. Sure it has a link to Webb's remarks, and a link to several Bush Satire SOU clips and none to the Presidents actual remarks. It is also the place where the Condi pic came from. If this is where people get their political insights I feel all the more comfortable with mine, thank you very much. | ||||
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01-24-2007, 05:27 PM
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| Audaces fortuna iuvat Moderate Northern VA
| Originally Posted by RMNIXON again, the video he linked to was unedited and the site has no bearing on the video itself, which is why the comment was meaningless.
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01-24-2007, 06:12 PM
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| America Fuck Yea Election Moderator  Republican In Name Only
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim i thought it was a decent response except the class warfare bit
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01-24-2007, 07:00 PM
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| Master Debator Election Moderator Democrat Omaha, NE
| Originally Posted by RMNIXON The problem is that GWB thinks the criminals are limited to drug dealing murderers and possible terrorists. He ignores that the ones who cross illegally are also technically criminals as they are breaking our laws. While they are not drug dealers and have honest intentions, it is still breaking the law. I dont rob the convenient store and look for sympathy because i was going to give the money to the salvation army.
I do agree we need to secure the border first. If your boat is leaking you have to fix the hole before bailing the water.I agree that we need more patrol agents to cover the couple thousand miles of territory. We also need fences and technologies employed to try and stop as many of those coming here illegally as possible, whether it be to sell drugs or build retaining walls. We also can't be afraid to send them back if they are caught here. If we remove the illegals wages will not be artificially low and we would not even need to speak of minimum wage increases because the market would adjust accordingly. We also keep Meth, coke, and nasty weed out of this country. Immigration reform should include good weed only policy. | ||||
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01-24-2007, 08:22 PM
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| America Fuck Yea Election Moderator Republican In Name Only
| Originally Posted by Pro Street
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