IRAN: Demise of US and Israel Imminent:

[RMNIXON]

President:
Demise of US, Israel Imminent
TEHRAN (Fars News Agency)- Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in a meeting with Syrian Foreign Minister Walid Mualem here on Tuesday assured that the United States and the Zionist regime of Israel will soon come to the end of their lives.

According to a statement released by the Presidential Press Office, Ahmadinejad further noted the frequent failure of the plots of the hegemonic system in the Middle-East region, and said that the demise of the US and Zionist regime is imminent.

He further called on the Islamic and Arab states to pave the way for the empowerment of independent and popular governments and establishment of stability, security and progress in the region through enhancing their solidarity, cooperation, unity, resistance and vigilance.

The Iranian president further pointed to domestic problems of the United States, and said that the US President Bush's new plan for the Middle-East serves propagandistic goals seeking to repair the damaged prestige of the US administration and ruling party.

"To continue its presence in the region and attain its colonial goals, the United States seeks to foment insecurity and conflict and undermine independent and popular governments of the region," he continued.

Also stating that the Zionist regime of Israel has been established to pose threats to and invade regional states and sow discord among Muslims, the president underlined, "Sparking discord among Muslims, specially between the Shiites and Sunnites, is a plot hatched by the Zionists and the US for dominating regional nations and looting their resources."

He described the victory of the Lebanese Hezbollah over the Israeli regime as a triumph for the entire Islamic Ummah (nation) in the face of the United States and Zionists, and continued, "Regional countries should support the Islamic resistance of the Lebanese people and strive to enhance solidarity and unity among the different Palestinian groups in a bid to pave the ground for the undermining of the Zionist regime whose demise is, of course, imminent, otherwise, the United States and the Zionist regime's pressures on the Muslim nations will grow several times more than what exists now."

[RMNIXON]

Now read the watered down version of this story that went out through UPI:

Iran: U.S., Israel to blame for turmoil

TEHRAN, Jan. 23 (UPI) -- Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad accused the United States and Israel of igniting internal conflict among Muslims to achieve domination in the region.

The official Iranian news agency, IRNA, quoted Ahmadinejad as saying during talks with visiting Syrian Foreign Minister Waleed al-Muallem in Tehran Tuesday that the "Zionist entity," in reference to Israel, and America are "inciting threats, aggression and divisions."

He added the United States is working towards turmoil and "weakening independent and nationalist governments in the region in order to continue its presence and achieve its colonialist objectives."

The Iranian president said "igniting a sectarian war between Muslims, especially between Shiites and Sunnis, is a Zionist-American conspiracy for hegemony and to rob the resources of the people's resources."

Ahmadinejad's comments came amid growing animosity and strife between Shiites and Sunnis in Iraq, where Iran is largely blamed for supporting and arming Shiite militias accused of killing and torturing Sunnis. Many Arab regimes of predominantly Sunni countries are also accusing Tehran, albeit privately, of playing a role in supporting Arab Shiite populations for political gains, such as in Lebanon.

The Syrian foreign minister, according to IRNA, said there are "attempts by America and other insolent forces to escalate the struggles and killing between Muslims and igniting sectarianism between them in the region."
Muallem added that Damascus and Tehran believe accelerating the restoration of security and stability in Iraq will serve all the region's nations, while the U.S. interests lie in the continued instability and absence of security there.
IRNA said Ahmadinejad also called on Arab and Muslim countries to "prepare the ground for supporting independent and nationalist governments, and consolidating stability and security for the people of the region through awareness, resistance, unity and harmony in cooperation."


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All the threats just go away and much of the inflated language of US and Israeli criticism goes through careful editing!

Translation: No real threat, maybe it is our fault?

[Donkey®]

So which non Jewish news source is that first story from?

[Nonphixion]

This is about as credible and unbiased... as an essay on the American Police Force written by a man serving 40 years in prison.

I would bet a substantial amount, based on Israel's past fabrications about Ahmedinejad and his speeches, that he said nothing even remotely close to that

[ballz2wallz]

Why is this unbelievable? Is Ahmadinejad too good of a man to say such a thing?

[7960]

Originally Posted by Nonphixion

This is about as credible and unbiased... as an essay on the American Police Force written by a man serving 40 years in prison.

I would bet a substantial amount, based on Israel's past fabrications about Ahmedinejad and his speeches, that he said nothing even remotely close to that

This is why I asked if you actually read the article in the other thread.

THIS IS BEING REPORTED BY IRAN'S NATIONAL NEWS AGENCY. This is not israel reporting what Ahmadinejad said, this is Ahmadinejad's news agency reporting what he said.



Oh, wait...... unless you think israel owns the iranian news agencies, too

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by 7960

This is why I asked if you actually read the article in the other thread.

THIS IS BEING REPORTED BY IRAN'S NATIONAL NEWS AGENCY. This is not israel reporting what Ahmadinejad said, this is Ahmadinejad's news agency reporting what he said.



Oh, wait...... unless you think israel owns the iranian news agencies, too

Zionists are also spying on Iran, and have infiltrated their agencies, and are influencing those that control their opposition!

[7960]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

Zionists are also spying on Iran, and have infiltrated their agencies, and are influencing those that control their opposition!

it's really unfuckingbelievable that HERE (link) he argues that the story is bullshit becuase it was reported in a "highly Israel-biased website" even though the very first sentence says the Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting (IRIB) website said in a report. Iran's official FARS news agency also reported the comments.

An Israel site reported it, sure, but the story originated from TWO IRANIAN news agencies.

wtf

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by 7960

it's really unfuckingbelievable that HERE (link) he argues that the story is bullshit becuase it was reported in a "highly Israel-biased website" even though the very first sentence says the Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting (IRIB) website said in a report. Iran's official FARS news agency also reported the comments.

An Israel site reported it, sure, but the story originated from TWO IRANIAN news agencies.

wtf

It doesn't support his argument

He doesn't want to believe that Iran's president would say such things, because he's such a good guy. He therefore will turn a blind eye and deaf ear to anything that counters his preconceived notions.

[7960]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

It doesn't support his argument

It doesn't support his argument. In fact it shows he didn't think twice about what he was saying. All he saw was "demise of israel" on a jewish website and assumed the jews made up a lie to get sympathy for their cause.

He doesn't want to believe that Iran's president would say such things, because he's such a good guy. He therefore will turn a blind eye and deaf ear to anything that counters his preconceived notions.

I think it's the other way around...I'm not sure if he gives a shit about iran's president but I get the distinct feelling phixion hates israel. And becuase of that he's going to go out of his way to "prove" anything that shows them in a positive light must be false, and anything that shows anyone hates or persecutes them them must have been made up by them.

I believe that's the definition of anti-semitism.

[Donkey®]

Whether he said it or not, the MEANING of what he said has been twisted into something it isn't.

[7960]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

Whether he said it or not, the MEANING of what he said has been twisted into something it isn't.

when the FARS news agency, otherwise known as the official news agency of iran, reports what he said and what it meant, how can you say the meaning has been twisted?

[Donkey®]

Originally Posted by 7960

when the FARS news agency, otherwise known as the official news agency of iran, reports what he said and what it meant, how can you say the meaning has been twisted?

And I sat and watched him on 60 minutes one night explain what it meant. I'd rather hear it from the horses mouth than ANY news agency.

[7960]

Originally Posted by Donkey®

And I sat and watched him on 60 minutes one night explain what it meant. I'd rather hear it from the horses mouth than ANY news agency.

Oh, ok, so he says what he's thinking in front of a crowd and then weeks later goes on 60 minutes to "explain what he *really* meant"

Sure

[Donkey®]

Originally Posted by 7960

Oh, ok, so he says what he's thinking in front of a crowd and then weeks later goes on 60 minutes to "explain what he *really* meant"

Sure

It happens all the fucking time. People say things all the time that are twisted and misconstrued...which they are eventually asked to explain. Also, when you're talking about statements that could have multiple meanings, only the person that says them can clarify.

[Nonphixion]

Originally Posted by 7960

It doesn't support his argument. In fact it shows he didn't think twice about what he was saying. All he saw was "demise of israel" on a jewish website and assumed the jews made up a lie to get sympathy for their cause.


I think it's the other way around...I'm not sure if he gives a shit about iran's president but I get the distinct feelling phixion hates israel. And becuase of that he's going to go out of his way to "prove" anything that shows them in a positive light must be false, and anything that shows anyone hates or persecutes them them must have been made up by them.

I believe that's the definition of anti-semitism.

Anti-Zionism, anti-oppression, and anti-apartheid.

You throw around the word "anti-semitism" like it's going out of style

[7960]

Originally Posted by Nonphixion

Anti-Zionism..

way to completely ignore the other part of your ignorance...........assuming that becuase it was on a pro-israel website that it's israeli propaganda when it was actually written by the iranians

go you

[Donkey®]

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Austin Thought Crimes: A Talk on 'Anti-Semitism'

Originally Posted by article

To truly discuss anti-Semitism I think we have to examine the word 'Semite' itself and how it is liberally misused in today's media and Western society in general. For this purpose, I will divide this article up into several sections, each discussing a different part of this issue, as well as the solutions to some of the problems brought up in the article.

What are Semites?

As defined by Wiki, and you can verify this with any encyclopedia:

'In linguistics and ethnology, Semitic (from the Biblical "Shem", Hebrew: שם, translated as "name", Arabic: سام) was first used to refer to a language family of largely Middle Eastern origin, now called the Semitic languages. This family includes the ancient and modern forms of Amharic, Arabic, Aramaic, Akkadian, Ge'ez, Hebrew, Maltese, Tigrinya, among others.'

So genetically, the word Semite refers to a group of people with a Middle Eastern origin. Many Arabs are Semites. The people we call Palestinians today are mostly Semites. Now there are many different types of Jews. There are Semitic Jews, some to more extent than others. And of course, Jewish is a word that describes both race and religion. But genetically, the vast majority of Jews are not Semites. Over 80% of today's Jews are Ashkenazi Jews. Ashkenazi Jews originate in the Rhineland and throughout Eastern Europe. These are the Jews(racially and culturally) that dominate the political scene in Israel.

So to even say someone is an anti-Semite because they hate someone for being a racial or religion Jew is a misnomer.

What is Zionism?

It is important to establish the difference between Zionism and Judaism. Yes, many Jews are Zionist and vice versa but not all Jews are Zionists and not all Zionists are Jews. In fact, many groups that were racist and prejudice against Jews were Zionists. One of the most prominent Zionists was the Viennese Jewish journalist Theodor Herzl, who argued in his 1896 book Der Judenstaat (The Jewish State) that the best way of avoiding anti-Semitism in Europe was to create an independent Jewish state in Palestine. This line of thought caught on with many, including many Aryan supremacists, whom also wanted to ship all Jews out into their own country. The word 'Zionism' itself comes from Mount Zion in Jerusalem.

Zionism means many things to many people but it is most commonly used in reference to Israel and its policies. While the citizens of Israel do have some rights and the nation does have many properties of a democracy, it is important to note that Israel also has racial purity laws, anti-free speech laws, and since its founding, has been a country ran by religion and race. And today, when most people say Zionist, they are talking about a person that supports Israel's existence as well as the current policy that Israel, as well as the U.S., are carrying out. Those policies not only support the existence and expansion of Israel, but also forcing the U.S. taxpayer to pay billions every year arming and funding Israel.

This means that not only are many of today's Zionists Jews, but also Christians. Many mainstream Christians are Zionists and many Freemasons are Zionists as well. Perhaps the best(or worst) example of a Zionist group is the ADL, that has went around Europe, Canada, and other parts of the world banning speech that it deems offensive.The most public example of this is probably what happened to the historian David Irving, who was put in prison for denying the holocaust. So not only does the U.S. tax dollar supported ADL ban certain speech it deems offensive, like certain parts of the bible, it also makes it against the law to question certain government 'facts.' These policies are what are commonly referred to by many as Zionist policies.

Is a person who is Anti-Zionist a racist?

Absolutely not. As I've pointed out, Zionism itself is a racist, aggressive movement. It has, using a plethora of different deceptive techniques, gained the support of many good people. Certainly Jews were prosecuted in the past. Certainly there are racists and bigots out there who hate people simply for being Jewish. But that does not excuse the racial purity laws Israel has. It does not excuse banning or attempting to ban free speech around the world. These things are wrong and they are the very problems they claim to be the solutions to.

Just because someone is against the agenda of the U.S. and Israel or just because someone wants to keep their free speech, that doesn't make them racists. And this is where it is so vital in understanding the power of words. The ADL does, which is why they are trying to outlaw certain words or questioning certain events. This is why it is vital to know the true definition of 'Semite' and 'Jew.' It is just as vital to understand the difference between the two when there is a difference. Obviously, not every banker is a Jew and not every Jew is a banker. Obviously, not every Jew supports the policies of Israel. It is the same with Christians. Most Christians in the United States do seem to support the giving of tax dollars to Israel and the agenda of the Zionists in the U.S. and Israel. However, many Christians do not. Some Christians are Zionists; others are not Zionists. The same is true for Jews. Understanding this fact is essential when confronting this issue. It is not correct to blame all Jews for the policies of Israel just as it is not correct to blame all Christians for the policies of George Bush.

Many great things have been done by Israel and the U.S. but many horrible things have been done as well. But if we're going to solve any of the problems we are having then it is important to point the finger at those most responsible for those problems. Blaming some random Jew for the situation in Israel is as stupid as it is futile. If you want to fix a problem then go to its source. The source of these problems is ignorance in general and those setting the policies, like the politicians and bankers that run our governments, like the groups out there similar to the ADL. Even the Catholic Church seems to be playing hand-in-hand with a lot of these so-called 'hate-speech' laws. Blame the leadership of these groups rather than just blaming someone who is of a certain religion or race.

What can we do about Zionism?

This is easy. The first thing we can do is educate ourselves and others. It's time to quit being afraid of discussing this issue. It's time to quit shying away from this issue because we are afraid to be unfairly labeled bigots or racists. This has to be seriously discussed in the public arena before anything is ever going to be done about it. That is easily the biggest hurdle we have to jump with this whole ordeal. It has become so taboo to even bring this up now in public, on T.V., or on the radio. This makes it hard for people to actually learn and understand what groups like the ADL are out there doing. Sunlight is the best disinfectant in most cases. This is especially true when dealing with propaganda and people who seek to strip other human beings of their inalienable rights. If we can get the word out to people of what is actually going on then these hate speech laws and their proponents are going to lose the wind in their sails.

Another thing being done by the Jewish community in particular is extremely effective. They are leaving these groups. That is one of the best things we can do. Is your church or synagogue supporting these hate speech laws? Leave. It's that simple. Quit giving them your money, your time, and your moral support. Leave the ADL. Leave any group that is in favor of banning your free speech or forcing you to pay for foreign wars. This is just another great example of how helping and doing the right thing is actually not doing anything at all.

Taking a look at all of these problems and sizing them up, it's easy to get discouraged. But it's also easy to be encouraged. Certainly they are enormous and one may feel like David standing in front of Goliath when trying to confront these things. However, there is a diminishing point of returns for anything and Zionism reached that point awhile back. People are getting tired, more and more everyday, of political correctness and being taxed for foreign wars that never seem to end. People are getting tired of the self-righteous attitude of extremist bigots out there who seek to control thought and pass laws forcing others what to say and think. If you are a person, religous or not, who believes in humanity and believes that every human being has a right to say and think what they want to, then you've got a lot of momentum on your side and a lot of different ways you can make a difference for the better. But whether or not you take the red pill or the blue pill is, as always, up to you.