"Wipe Israel off the map" never said by Ahmedinejad -- actual farsi text inside

[Diamond Cross]

The united Nations created Hitler?

That's an outrageous thing to say considering how Hitler came to become Chancellor in the first place.

I'd recommend reading the book "The Rise And Fall of The Third Reich" for better details.

[MKULTRA]

How could the UN create Hitler when the UN didn't exist?

The families that have massive power in the UN are many of the same banking families I'm talking about here.

[Diamond Cross]

Oh, the Reptillians.

[motivez]

Hyperinflation was a large part of what created Hitler and the ability for the Nazi party to take power.

As far as the original topic, I suspected something like this when we first heard it and believe I mentioned it in a thread. Something getting lost in translation is probably more common than we'd like.

There's an interesting example in the book "No God but God" by Reza Aslan, about how various translations of the Quran can be made to say several different things based on the intent the translator is trying to make.

For example, he says:

Originally Posted by Reza Aslan

For example, consider the following verse (4:34) regarding the obligations of men toward women has been rendered into English by two different but widely read contemporary translators of the Quran. The first is from the Princeton edition, translated by Ahmed Ali; the second is from Majid Fakhry's translation, published by New York University:

"Men are the support of women [qawwamuna 'ala an-nisa] as God gives some more means than others, and because they spend of their wealth (to provide for them). . . . As for women you feel are averse, talk to them suasively; then leave them alone in bed (without molesting them) and go to bed with them (when they are willing)."

Men are in charge of women, because Allah has made some of them excel the others, and because they spend some of their wealth . . . . And for those [women] that you feel might rebel, admonish them and abandon them in their beds and beat them [adribuhunna].

Because of the variability of the Arabic language, both of these translations are grammatically, syntactically, and definitionally correct. The phrase qawwamuna 'ala an-nisa can be understood as "watch over," "protect," "attend to," "look after," or "be in charge of" women.

The final word in the verse, adribuhunna, which Fakhry has rendered as "beat them," can equally mean "turn away from them," "go along with them," and remarkably, even "have consensual intercourse with them."

If religion is indeed interpretation, then which meaning one chooses to accept and follow depends on what one is trying to extract from the text: if one views the Quran as empowering Women, then Ali's; if one looks to the Quran to justify violence against women, then Fakhry's.

Anyway, I'm sure Farsi is the same way when it comes to translations. It's easy to see how someone wishing to pull more out of Ahmedinejad's comments could easily do so.

[Donkey®]

Originally Posted by Diesel66

I dont think anyone was suggesting Iran wanted to start a new hollocaust.

I disagree. When people throw that line out they use the term "nuclear bomb" and "destroy" pretty often. When people CLAIM the Iranians want to "wipe out" Israel...that's the meaning almost always inferred.