The Statue of Liberty is Semiramis: Queen of Babylon

[7960]

Originally Posted by MKULTRA

And I do not claim that everyone marking something is trying to rule the world. I never made that claim. That is you making claims on my behalf. My only claim is that if someone marks an object that they themselves have created, that indicates an association with that object.

So the "Brown, 1902" sign on my barn means Brown owns my barn that was built in 1902? Can his living relatives come back and take it from me? Do they rule me withoug my knowledge?!?!?!?!?

[MKULTRA]

Again, I never said that. But obviously, that would show he built the barn in 1902 wouldn't it?

[7960]

Originally Posted by MKULTRA

It is derived from another esoteric organization.

which would be????

[7960]

Originally Posted by MKULTRA

Again, I never said that. But obviously, that would show he built the barn in 1902 wouldn't it?

now we're getting somewhere......... so "brown, 1902" shows he BUILT it but doesn't mean dick about him controlling it or having any association (other than builder) with it?

But the freemason "markings on a lot of prominent architecture" means they *DO* control it?

Sounds like Brown, 1902 got fucked... if freemasons own the US becuase their symbols is on stuff why doesn't brown own my barn? His symbol is on it!!

[Diamond Cross]

Crosses and Swastikas are thousands of years old, used long before the advent of Christianity and Naisms. Chinese use Swastikas as a symbol of Strength and to mark celestial events such as comets. Crossess can been on ancient Babylonian seals that represent Marduk and/or other deities. Even the Ankh is a kind of Cross.

History of the cross:

The Cross: Its Origin and Significance (No. 39)

History of the Swastika:

A History of the Swastika

[MKULTRA]

You tell me since you know everything or perhaps some fool just put that on the coffin and it mean nothing. Is that it? Perhaps it was someone just doodling huh? Who doesn't write symbols all over the pope's coffin for fun? I know I have a few times, but only when I get bored.

[MKULTRA]

Originally Posted by Diamond Cross

Crosses and Swastikas are thousands of years old, used long before the advent of Christianity and Naisms. Chinese use Swastikas as a symbol of Strength and to mark celestial events such as comets. Crossess can been on ancient Babylonian seals that represent Marduk and/or other deities. Even the Ankh is a kind of Cross.

History of the cross:

The Cross: Its Origin and Significance (No. 39)

History of the Swastika:

A History of the Swastika

About 30 minutes in this has a great section on the swastika. It also has sections on pyramid, obelisk, eye of horus, the dollar, etc.

Google Video

[7960]

Originally Posted by MKULTRA

You tell me since you know everything or perhaps some fool just put that on the coffin and it mean nothing. Is that it? Perhaps it was someone just doodling huh? Who doesn't write symbols all over the pope's coffin for fun? I know I have a few times, but only when I get bored.

YOU said "It is derived from another esoteric organization."
YOU tell me which esoteric organization.

Because you're full of shit. It's not from "another esoteric organization." But I'd like to know what "esoteric organization" you think it's from.

[MKULTRA]

Originally Posted by 7960

YOU said "It is derived from another esoteric organization."
YOU tell me which esoteric organization.

Because you're full of shit. It's not from "another esoteric organization." But I'd like to know what "esoteric organization" you think it's from.

No no. Come on. I'm asking you. I mean obviously since I'm so full of BS I can't tell you. You tell me why it is there or is it just there for no reason? I'm curious. Tell me how it is 7960. Let's hear it. Or are you scared to offer an opinion or what?

[Diamond Cross]

Question #2 and #3 for Mk Ultra:

Do you follow Alex Jones?

Do you believe President Bush goes to the Bohemian Grove, to worship Moloch, or Satan?

[MKULTRA]

You can't answer a question? I'm asking you. Enlighten me. You claim I'm full of BS correct? Now the symbol is obviously on the coffin. Why is it there? That's all I'm asking. You can't answer? You can't answer a simple question or what? I know why it's there. But since I'm so full of BS perhaps you could enlighten me and the forum with the correct answer, since you seem to possess the ultimate truth on everything. Don't be afraid.

[MKULTRA]

Originally Posted by Diamond Cross

Question #2 and #3 for Mk Ultra:

Do you follow Alex Jones?

Do you believe President Bush goes to the Bohemian Grove, to worship Moloch, or Satan?

I know president Bush goes to Bohemain Grove. He is in the yearbook. You can google map Bohemian Grove and it has a tax exempt status. It is there and he does attend it.

I don't 'follow' anyone. I have listened to Alex Jones. I have listened to Rush Limbaugh too but I don't follow or worship either of them. I live in Austin and have met Jones. He's actually a really cool guy. But I don't worship him or anything lol. I do appreciate what Alex does because I am in very much in favor of a divided up media.

[Diamond Cross]

I didn't mean follow as in religious worship, but as in keep up with his works.

[thatguyoverthere]

Very interesting thread. I hope it continues.

I don't know much about this. Why is there an "m" on the coffin? Why is the cross irregular?

What's the statistical chance that in one election year, both major party candidates for president of the USA were members of Skull and Bones?

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Originally Posted by thatguyoverthere

Very interesting thread. I hope it continues.

I don't know much about this. Why is there an "m" on the coffin? Why is the cross irregular?

It stood for Mary and had NOTHING to do with "an esoteric organization."

What's the statistical chance that in one election year, both major party candidates for president of the USA were members of Skull and Bones?

Let's see...both are rich, both went to yale, bush sr was one so it's not surprising that W was in, too, kerry was president of the yale political union and was extremely vocal in war debates and had met the president and dated Onassis's half-sister so it's not surprising he was in...

I keep hearing that skull and bones only accepts a few people every year so there must be a conspiracy that both men were in. That's pretty retarded considering there are only 5,000 undergrads at yale so there are only about 1,000 seniors, only 500 of whom are men. Of those 500 how many fit the descriptions above? Not many.

[Diamond Cross]

Originally Posted by thatguyoverthere

Very interesting thread. I hope it continues.

I don't know much about this. Why is there an "m" on the coffin? Why is the cross irregular?

What's the statistical chance that in one election year, both major party candidates for president of the USA were members of Skull and Bones?

I believe just about every American President has been a Mason, for example, President Clinton is a 33rd degree Mason. Greorge Washington was also a Mason.

[avsp]

Originally Posted by MKULTRA

You could speculate the 7 means a lot of things and it probably does. A lot of these symbols mean a lot of things to a lot of people. That is what I'm trying to point out to you.

And as I've said, as well as the pictures posted on the website point out, the design of the statue is nothing original. Absolutely, Americans added their own flavor and ideas to it, which is what makes it great but it was designed after a pagan goddess.

Originally Posted by MKULTRA

And the Nazis and Aztecs had a lot of stuff in common, including the red/white color schemes, swastikas, and crosses. A lot of that stuff has its roots in astro-theology. None of that was coincidence. So you might want to dig up another example.

Does this indicate some form of doublethink?

Does the widespread geographical & historical distribution of the swastika (for eXample), show that it was created many time independantly or prove some unified original source?

If the latter what/where EXACTLY was it?

Does the adoption by America (& Colunbia pictures?) of a statue gased on classical mythology prove anything at all? (& Where does this leave Sony?)

Marilyn Monroe could be seen as having dressed similarly. What, if anything, would this indicate? Does her iconic status owe anything to some kind of 'magic', ..., or the existance of archetypes? Or is there some other explanation?


The word 'pagan' seems to being used rather loosly here, ..., what exactly is meant by it? Is it a single unified religion?

p.s. what is the significance of the unequal cross with the 'm'?

[MKULTRA]

Originally Posted by avsp

Does this indicate some form of doublethink?

Does the widespread geographical & historical distribution of the swastika (for eXample), show that it was created many time independantly or prove some unified original source?

If the latter what/where EXACTLY was it?

Does the adoption by America (& Colunbia pictures?) of a statue gased on classical mythology prove anything at all? (& Where does this leave Sony?)

Marilyn Monroe could be seen as having dressed similarly. What, if anything, would this indicate? Does her iconic status owe anything to some kind of 'magic', ..., or the existance of archetypes? Or is there some other explanation?


The word 'pagan' seems to being used rather loosly here, ..., what exactly is meant by it? Is it a single unified religion?

p.s. what is the significance of the unequal cross with the 'm'?

LMAO it is not doublethink pointing out the Nazis and the Aztecs both used the swastika and it wasn't coincidence. There was a unified force behind it. If we're going to start throwing that word around then let's try to use it correctly. The Swastika was Jewish before Hitler ever used it. Likewise, it was used by Celts before Christians ever used it. Most of these religions and movements take these symbols from somewhere else. To an extent that is what it is. But also, the Swastika is a symbol of sun worship and a symbol representing the universe. So you could also see how any society with knowledge of astronomy would come up with such a symbol. Knowledge? Yes. Coincidence? No.

And also, Marilyn Monroe as well as artists like Madonna model themselves after a lot of these ancient goddesses. That is one reason they were so successful. Madonna frequently modeled herself after Monroe but also after the virgin Mary, that was derived from earlier goddesses.

Bartholdi was a very learned man. He was a Freemason. They study these things I'm talking about in the thread. I understand the hostile reaction towards me for bringing it up, because this stuff is not a part of most people's world, but any Mason(other than some porch Masons) have knowledge of this stuff. And it is clear that this was originally designed for the Suez canal as an ancient goddess. There is also a lot of numerology and symbolism all over the statue. Look at how many windows are in the crown. Look at what is under her feet. Look at her manly frame. There is a lot of stuff in there and it all meant something. The people who design these things do not pull this stuff out of their arse. They are geniuses and their works mean many things on many different levels. And they borrowed from ancient works heavily. Your dollar, the back of it, is full of numerology and symbolism. All of that was taken from somewhere else.

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Originally Posted by Diamond Cross

I believe just about every American President has been a Mason, for example, President Clinton is a 33rd degree Mason.

No. He was in a youth group sponsored by the masons but he was joined the masons and he certainly isn't a 33rd level moloch lover.