The Statue of Liberty is Semiramis: Queen of Babylon

[Diamond Cross]

I guessx you're right, Clinton was never a Freemason. But here's a list of which President that were:

• <LI style="TEXT-ALIGN: left">George Washington <LI style="TEXT-ALIGN: left">Andrew Jackson <LI style="TEXT-ALIGN: left">Theodore (Teddy) Roosevelt <LI style="TEXT-ALIGN: left">Franklin D. Roosevelt <LI style="TEXT-ALIGN: left">Harrry S. Truman <LI style="TEXT-ALIGN: left">Dwight D. Eisenhower <LI style="TEXT-ALIGN: left">Gerald Ford <LI style="TEXT-ALIGN: left">Ronald Regan
• Robert J. Dole

American Co-Masonry - Famous Masons

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Originally Posted by Diamond Cross

I guessx you're right, Clinton was never a Freemason. But here's a list of which President that were:

• <LI style="TEXT-ALIGN: left">George Washington <LI style="TEXT-ALIGN: left">Andrew Jackson <LI style="TEXT-ALIGN: left">Theodore (Teddy) Roosevelt <LI style="TEXT-ALIGN: left">Franklin D. Roosevelt <LI style="TEXT-ALIGN: left">Harrry S. Truman <LI style="TEXT-ALIGN: left">Dwight D. Eisenhower <LI style="TEXT-ALIGN: left">Gerald Ford <LI style="TEXT-ALIGN: left">Ronald Regan
• Robert J. Dole

American Co-Masonry - Famous Masons

dole?

8 of the 42 presidents were masons... that's significant?

[Diamond Cross]

No, I just find it interesting, is all.

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Originally Posted by Diamond Cross

No, I just find it interesting, is all.

It wouldn't surprise me one bit if 8 presidents were members of some other group. There are stepping stones of support on the way to a job like that. It appears masonry is one, being a governor is one, being from a certain area is one, being of a certain religion is one.........I'm not saying if you're not roman catholic you can't be president, but being RC brings with it a certain amount of built-in support. None of this is conspiracy-worthy.

[MKULTRA]

There are far more than 8 presidents that were masons. FDR, Andrew Jackson, Bill Clinton, George Washington, Truman, Woodrow Wilson, Hoover,Teddy Roosevelt, James Buchanan, Johnson, Reagan, both Bushes were Bohemian Grovers and Skull and Bones, organizations connected to Freemasonry. I know Bush 1 has been interviewed in Freemason today. That's just what I know about off the top of my head. All the big 3 after WW2 were Masons. And even the symbols of the USSR and the UN are full of Masonic stuff.

This film goes into all of it well, including your dollar, statue of liberty, 911 numerology, and a lot of interesting stuff like that. It's a documentary made for public access but it has a lot of cool information in there.

And I'm not saying all of this is evil so I don't really understand the hostile reaction from some of you. So what if the spikes on the statue of liberty's head represent the sun or the 7 seas? Is that so evil? Are the chains she is crushing beneath her feet, is that an 'evil' symbol? I don't think so. But it is a huge statue to a pagan goddess. If that offends some of you then don't blame me, I didn't design the thing.

I just find it all extremely interesting to read and talk about. How seriously you take it all is up to you. But the group is a power center. Guilds were originally created to control knowledge and control money flow. The Knights Templar, what Freemasonry was based off of to a large extent, were powerful bankers and arms dealers.

There's a lot of cool stuff out there. No one is crazy for pointing it out.

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Originally Posted by MKULTRA

There are far more than 8 presidents that were masons. FDR, Andrew Jackson, Bill Clinton, George Washington, Truman, Woodrow Wilson, Hoover,Teddy Roosevelt, James Buchanan, Johnson, Reagan, both Bushes were Bohemian Grovers and Skull and Bones, organizations connected to Freemasonry. I know Bush 1 has been interviewed in Freemason today. That's just what I know about off the top of my head. All the big 3 after WW2 were Masons. And even the symbols of the USSR and the UN are full of Masonic stuff.

Again, do you just make this shit up?

BILL CLINTON IS NOT A MASON.
NEITHER BUSH IS A MASON.
REAGAN WAS NOT A MASON.

There were 14 presidents who were masons. I took his other list at face value and didn't look it up (mainly because it doesn't matter if 8 or 28 were masons).

Here are the 14, along with their level of involvement.

Presidents list

[MKULTRA]

No one makes stuff up. You just see something that doesn't fit into your little world and start hurling insults and going into frantic denial. Look into it for yourself or ask me for evidence.

I have a copy of Freemason Today with Bill Clinton on the cover. It is also in that film I linked you to. Reagan was an honorary shriner and also a member of Bohemian Grove. A picture of him at the Grove is published in their yearbook. That is also in the film I linked you to.

Reagan

And you also need to understand that not all of them are open about this. It is an esoteric organization. But they do hold public meetings. Go to a public meeting. Go into one of their shrines or lodges. I'm sure one is in your town or a town close to you. They are in the phone book.

Why do you assume you know everything when you read one link? You clearly don't have a clue what you're talking about.

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Originally Posted by MKULTRA

No one makes stuff up. You just see something that doesn't fit into your little world and start hurling insults and going into frantic denial. Look into it for yourself or ask me for evidence.

Yes, you are making this stuff up, becuase every time I look into your claims I come up with either half truths or outright lies.

I have a copy of Freemason Today with Bill Clinton on the cover.

My wife has oprah's magazine, O, with Tom Cruise on the cover. Does that make him a woman? Or black? Or a black woman?

Reagan was an honorary shriner

A shriner is not a mason.

It is an esoteric organization. But they do hold public meetings. Go to a public meeting. Go into one of their shrines or lodges. I'm sure one is in your town or a town close to you. They are in the phone book.

Why do you assume you know everything when you read one link? You clearly don't have a clue what you're talking about.

How ironic that you're bashing me for only reading one link (when I've read more than that) and all it takes for you to believe something is for you to read it on one page.

Bill Clinton is not a mason. He was in a youth group sponsored by the masons but he was never a member of a lodge.

Reagan is not a mason. He received a certificate of honor from a group of freemasons, but he was never a mason.

Bush v1 is not a mason. He was sworn in using Washington's bible which is owned by the masons but he was never a mason.

Bush v2 is not a mason. You're the first person I've ever heard even suggest it.


If you're going to claim they are, prove they are.

And you also need to understand that not all of them are open about this.

Ahh, the conspiracy theorists ace in the hole........... "well, they are but they never talk about it so it's just hard to prove it, but they are" I'm embarassed for you.

[MKULTRA]

lmao.. shriners are 'shrine masons' Again, you read one link and think you have the world figured out.

Each shriner must be a mason before becoming a shriner.

Are they lying to you now? Is this some kind of grand conspiracy against 7960? Like I keep saying, you have absolutely no clue but try to dispense your 'truth' like a blind man trying to read a billboard.

Dude Reagan faced the obelisk like all presidents since him. George Washington was openly a Mason. I've already provided you with evidence. He is in several masonic magazines. He performed the same Masonic ritual when he was sworn in that Reagan and Bush 1 and 2 did.

Bohemian Grove is a very prestigious, private, organization that is connected to Freemasonry. They have yearbooks. Again, all put up in the film I sourced you to. You have the evidence; you simply refuse to look at it. Then you accuse me of not providing you with evidence. Do you see how that could be problematic?

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Originally Posted by MKULTRA

lmao.. shriners are 'shrine masons' Again, you read one link and think you have the world figured out.

Each shriner must be a mason before becoming a shriner.

Are they lying to you now? Is this some kind of grand conspiracy against 7960? Like I keep saying, you have absolutely no clue but try to dispense your 'truth' like a blind man trying to read a billboard.

President Ronald Reagan has sometimes been referred to as a Freemason but he is not. Some confusion as to his membership arises from a ceremony held in the Oval Office of the White House on February 11, 1988, when a group of Freemasons presented President Reagan with a Certificate of Honor from the Grand Lodge of Washington, D.C. He was also then made an Honorary Scottish Rite Mason. However, since the title of Freemason can only be conferred by a Grand Lodge of Masons, President Reagan should only be referred to as a Shriner (he is also an Honorary Member of the Imperial Shrine due to his extensive work with that organization over the years) or as an Honorary Scottish Rite Mason. The Shrine and Scottish Rite are concordant bodies and cannot confer the title 'Freemason' on any person.

Famous Non-Masons

HONORARY member.

Dude Reagan faced the obelisk like all presidents since him. George Washington was openly a Mason. I've already provided you with evidence. He is in several masonic magazines. He performed the same Masonic ritual when he was sworn in that Reagan and Bush 1 and 2 did.

You're saying that because he stood in the same place as other masons that means he's a mason?? I've faced an obelisk, am I a mason? I've been in washington's bedroom, am I washington? Christ this is poor thinking.

[MKULTRA]

Like I've already pointed out, despite what you claimed, Shriners are Masons. Standing in front of an obelisk is different than performing a Masonic ceremony in front of an obelisk and attending Bohemian Grove. Ronald Reagan attended Bohemian Grove, an elite Masonic organization. He performed Masonic rituals. He was publicly an honorary member, as you pointed out. In my book, that makes him a Mason. If not, then he is undeniably a member of Bohemian Grove, which as I keep saying, is a far more prestigious esoteric organization.

So keep making your ill-informed claims that Shriners are not Masons. Your list does not include all Masons. If you'll watch it, I'll link you to a documentary with plenty of footage inside of Masonic Lodges that show all kinds of presidents not on your list are also Masons.

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^^

Please find me a biography that says ronald reagan is anything but an honorary member of any masonic temple, or that he's a shriner. Even the page you linked above (Reagan) says it's honorary.

Shriners are not Masons.

You're right. My confusion came from Reagan being a shriner without being a mason. Turns out that he's an honorary shriner so now it makes sense. Reagan wasn't a mason but he was an honorary shriner.

[MKULTRA]

Have you ever seen any of Madonna's videos where she is with the black Jesus? Have you read any of the lyrics of her songs? And in fact, there is a lot of symbolism in the stuff that NASA does going back to Greek/Roman gods and other things. You should maybe look into that or what I'm telling you instead of trying to dismiss all evidence given to you with ignorant comparisons.

The statue of liberty has chains beneath her feet lol. She's crushing the chains. HAHAHAHA oh man this is pathetic. That is symbolism lol.

And I've already told you what she was modeled after(repeatedly) It should be obvious given some of the pictures.



And again, you have clue what you're talking about regarding Clinton, like you had no idea shriners were masons. He is in Freemason Today admitting everything I'm telling you. You can get a subscription and take a look for yourself. But you'll never do that because you think you already know everything, despite evidence that the exact opposite is the case.

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Originally Posted by MKULTRA

Have you ever seen any of Madonna's videos where she is with the black Jesus? Have you read any of the lyrics of her songs? And in fact, there is a lot of symbolism in the stuff that NASA does going back to Greek/Roman gods and other things. You should maybe look into that or what I'm telling you instead of trying to dismiss all evidence given to you with ignorant comparisons.

The difference is you're saying that madonna is successful because she's with black jesus and singing songs with "those" lyrics. IMO you're putting the cart before the horse. She's successful, yes, but not because she's using that symbolism.

The statue of liberty has chains beneath her feet lol. She's crushing the chains. HAHAHAHA oh man this is pathetic. That is symbolism lol.

1. you mean the symbolism of liberty crushing the chains of slavery? Because that's what the designer said it stands for.
2. thanks for actually telling me what you were talking about... "under her feet" could be the 11 point star, grass, an island, a museum.......... when you want someone to look at something you should specify what you want them to look at.

And I've already told you what she was modeled after(repeatedly) It should be obvious given some of the pictures.

His mother? And Isabella Boyer? I don't remember you saying either of those.

And again, you have clue what you're talking about regarding Clinton, like you had no idea shriners were masons. He is in Freemason Today ...

Wait...he's a freemason today? I don't give a shit what he's doing TODAY. He was NOT a freemason while he was president or even when he was governor.

How about you scan the clinton article and post it, hmm?

[MKULTRA]

The only thing I'm saying is that Madonna uses religious lyrics and models herself after pagan and Christian goddesses to sell albums. That's all I'm saying.

And yes, that is what I'm saying about the statue of liberty in regards to the chains. Likewise, the designer also admitted what the torch was for and the 7 rays were for and admitted the original plan or vision or proposal, whatever you want to call it, was for it to be Isis on the Suez canal. I've already pointed out to you over and over, as the article I linked you to pointed out, that she is modeled after the pagan goddess, Ishtar, Semiramis, or Isis. They all represent virtually the same thing and have near identical stories as well as the same origins.

Bill Clinton is and has been a Freemason. But as you admitted, you don't know your butt from a hole in the ground when it comes to this subject. The only thing you are familiar with that has been displayed in this thread is your ego, that easily overpowers your common sense and intellect.

Freemason Today is a magazine published by Freemasons and for Freemasons. And as I keep telling you, I can easily source you to a movie, if you'll watch it, with lots of video inside of masonic lodges telling you virtually everything I am telling you on this thread.

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Originally Posted by MKULTRA

Bill Clinton is and has been a Freemason. But as you admitted, you don't know your butt from a hole in the ground when it comes to this subject.

Answer this.........when did he become a freemason?

[MKULTRA]

I don't know, nor do I know when Bob Dole became a Freemason or George Washington became a Freemason but that doesn't change the fact they were/are Freemasons. Likewise, I don't know when George 1 and 2 became members of Bohemian Grove but they admittedly travel there and are pictured in the yearbooks.

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Originally Posted by MKULTRA

I don't know, nor do I know when Bob Dole became a Freemason or George Washington became a Freemason but that doesn't change the fact they were/are Freemasons. Likewise, I don't know when George 1 and 2 became members of Bohemian Grove but they admittedly travel there and are pictures in the yearbooks.

Ok, since you don't know your butt from a hole in the ground when it comes to this subject I'll change the question............. was clinton a freemason during his presidency?