The Statue of Liberty is Semiramis: Queen of Babylon

[MKULTRA]

No no, I do know my butt from the hole in the ground, unlike you, who didn't even know that Shriners are Freemasons. You don't know the most basic content matter of what you're discussing. I do. That is the difference between us in this conversation. Clinton was featured in Freemason Today during his presidency. As I pointed out, he performed a Masonic ritual upon being sworn in. Yes, he was a Freemason. He is also a prominent member of other groups like the TC and CFR, which are openly one world government groups that were founded by Freemasons and use a lot of Masonic symbolism. Now I'm not saying that means Freemasonry is the group that runs everything but it certainly is a very powerful organization and has been for a very long time. It is also part of other groups, like the OTO, and the Bohemian Grove, that all have lodge numbers and use the same symbols and have interlocking members.

It is hard for the average person to understand all of this but I grew up with it. My uncle was chief of police where I grew up and he was a 32nd degree Freemason. If you live anywhere near Austin, I'd be happy to take you on a little tour of the town and show you all the Shrines, etc. Or, as I pointed out, you could open up a phone book, call them, and ask when is the next time/place they're holding a public meeting or public tour of the lodge.

[MKULTRA]

Originally Posted by Diesel66

yah that it. Her success has nothing to do with sex and creating a controversy




Can anyone explain why these groups think the illuminati is such a powerful organization when they were destroyed by the French govt after a very short existance ?

I never said that. But I'm saying it was one of the things she(madonna) uses and has used. Take a look at the origins of the name 'madonna' itself.

The Illuminati was never destroyed by the French Government. That is a well repeated lie, by the same French government that was full of members of various esoteric societies. The founder of the Illuminati you're talking about was a Jesuit and was also a Freemason. George Washington, in his letters, talks about the Illuminati. It was not destroyed. It went international.

And the word "illuminati" is just really another name for people who want to run a one world government, that lots of groups, like the UN, have stated is their goal openly.

[Diesel66]

Originally Posted by MKULTRA

The Illuminati was never destroyed by the French Government. That is a well repeated lie, by the same French government that was full of members of various esoteric societies.

Why would the French govt protect an organization that was trying to destroy it ?

The founder of the Illuminati you're talking about was a Jesuit and was also a Freemason.

So ?

[MKULTRA]

Why would you, if you ran an esoteric organization, openly take over the French government? Obviously if you tell everyone something doesn't exist when it does, that helps keep it secret. I am unsure whether or not the Illuminati was eliminated in France specifically, but it was international so I hardly see how France eliminating it in France could've destroyed it. And it is also very possible that it was simply absorbed into Freemasonry itself, since most of its members were already Freemasons. The symbol we have on our dollar originated with Weishaupt, the founder of the Illuminati. He did not create the eye of horus but from that he did create or popularize the all seeing eye or the architects eye that we see everywhere today.

Also, I would like to point out I have never sworn an oath to Freemasonry 'under pain of death' or anything like that. I only talk about what is publicly revealed by them. I have no knowledge of the inner workings, as does no one who is not high in degree or rank.

[7960]

Originally Posted by MKULTRA

Clinton was featured in Freemason Today during his presidency.

He was interviewed, big deal.

As I pointed out, he performed a Masonic ritual upon being sworn in.

So then EVERY president is a mason? Because they all perform that same "ritual."

Yes, he was a Freemason.

He was during his presidency? His face on a magazine doesn't mean dick. Show me where clinton admits to being a mason.

[Diesel66]

Originally Posted by MKULTRA

Why would you, if you ran an esoteric organization, openly take over the French government?

Well since similar groups overthrew the French govt, (and kicked the Brits out of America) it isnt much of a stretch. But why would they remain in hiding after the French Revolution ? The free thinkers won.

[MKULTRA]

No, only every president since Reagan has performed that ritual, not every president we've ever had. Carter is also a member of Bohemian Grove.

Clinton was not just pictured in the magazine, he also did interviews with the magazine. He is also a member of some of the other groups I listed.

Originally Posted by Diesel66

Well since similar groups overthrew the French govt, (and kicked the Brits out of America) it isnt much of a stretch. But why would they remain in hiding after the French Revolution ? The free thinkers won.

This is not really true. Many revolutions have been revolutions with a small 'r' Now the American revolution was a true revolution and if you read Washington's letters he first talks about the illuminati and it's dangerous plans and talks about the European infiltration of American Freemasonry. He then changes his mind and later goes in favor of the illuminati.

The American revolution, while it was headed by many prominent Masons, was more or less something from the ground up. It was about the people and was more of a true movement, as opposed to an elitist planned squabble. And also, Masons have done many good things. There have been a lot of people that were excellent human beings that were Masons. Not all the goals of Freemasonry and people who are Freemasons are 'evil' or bad. But I'm just pointing out, these people have great influence and are connected to many other groups. And as I started the thread with, the statue of liberty's origins and designs are based on that of a pagan goddess.

I can explain this more but you should really go read some of what Washington wrote and then maybe head over to some Freemasonry sites and then go check out the other sites, that are anti-Freemasonry.

[7960]

only every president since Reagan has performed that ritual, not every president we've ever had

Ahh, so both bushes are masons because they did it, then? Even though they're not actually masons, but just standing there magically transformed them?

Originally Posted by MKULTRA

Clinton was not just pictured in the magazine, he also did interviews with the magazine. He is also a member of some of the other groups I listed.

You didn't answer my question........ Tom Cruise was on the cover of O and he did interviews with that magazine........... TOM CRUISE IS A BLACK WOMAN!!!

[MKULTRA]

If you're going to make a decision based on evidence then look at all the evidence. Obviously I am not saying that Clinton was a Freemason solely based on him performing a Masonic ritual when he was sworn it. That is only one piece of evidence I offered in this thread. And Tom Cruise being in Oprah's magazine is not the same as Clinton doing an interview with Freemason Today and then performing Masonic rituals. Now Tom Cruise has done interviews with Scientology based magazines and performed rituals based in Scientology. That makes it very likely he's a believer and supporter in Scientology. If you're going to make comparisons then let's try and make them adequate comparisons, instead of half-assing things in an attempt to keep your ego in tact.

[JSmythe]

Originally Posted by Diesel66

The free thinkers won.

For a few years... very few.

[7960]

Originally Posted by MKULTRA

If you're going to make a decision based on evidence then look at all the evidence. Obviously I am not saying that Clinton was a Freemason solely based on him performing a Masonic ritual when he was sworn it. That is only one piece of evidence I offered in this thread. And Tom Cruise being in Oprah's magazine is not the same as Clinton doing an interview with Freemason Today and then performing Masonic rituals.

But the "ritual" you're saying makes clinton a mason is the swearing in ceremony for becoming president. He didn't swear himself to be a mason, his ceremony was for something completely different.

And presidents do interviews. Clinton did an interview with Ebony, has an office in Harlem, and has worn a danshiki.............. CLINTON IS A BLACK MAN BECAUSE HE WAS IN THEIR MAGAZINE, PERFORMED THEIR RITUALS, AND WEARS THEIR CLOTHING!!!

[MKULTRA]

You're just doing the same thing you've always done, which is make sarcastic comparisons and remarks that are not adequate and are based solely on ego and ignorance. You are wrong. The position you took in this thread was wrong. You shot off at the mouth based on a webpage and now you don't have the humility to just admit you were wrong and move on.

It doesn't matter who else Clinton did interviews for. Clinton is not black. Race and esoteric societies are two different things and this latest post by you is nothing more than another shameless denial of the facts you've been given, that you repeatedly refuse to look at.

Bill Clinton is a member of more than one esoteric society. He has done interviews with Masonic magazines admitting he's a Mason. He's a member of other groups that were founded by Masons and use Masonic symbolism. He performs Masonic rituals. And for the life of me, I can't figure out why you would defend him and just deny this, as if it couldn't be true. I can easily source you, right now, as I already have, to more video of Clinton and memorials in lodges with Clinton in them.

I didn't make this stuff up. I did not tell Bill Clinton to perform a Masonic ritual when he was sworn in. I did not tell Bill Clinton to push for one world government. I did not tell Bill Clinton to do interviews with Freemason Today. Bill Clinton did all that. I'm only observing and pointing out those observations, which I've provided you with video evidence of.

[7960]

Originally Posted by MKULTRA

He has done interviews with Masonic magazines admitting he's a Mason.

POINT TO ONE!

He's a member of other groups that were founded by Masons and use Masonic symbolism.

When he was a youth he was a member of the Order of DeMolay but he never joined a masonic temple.

He performs Masonic rituals.

Are you talking about the swearing in ceremony for his presidency? Becuase if you are this is beyond stupid.

[JSmythe]

I wish I could have been a participant in MKULTRA.

[MKULTRA]

Originally Posted by 7960

POINT TO ONE!


When he was a youth he was a member of the Order of DeMolay but he never joined a masonic temple.

Are you talking about the swearing in ceremony for his presidency? Becuase if you are this is beyond stupid.

I really dont know why you insist on embarrassing yourself repeatedly but here

DeMolay International (originally known as the Order of DeMolay) is an international youth fraternity for young men between the ages of 12 to 21 (members who reach the age of 21 are referred to as 'Senior DeMolays'). The organization helps prepare young men to lead successful, productive and happy lives through the development of civic awareness, leadership skills and personal responsibility. It is modeled after Freemasonry, and like Freemasonry, members are initiated into DeMolay through ritual and an allegorical program. DeMolay is considered an appendant body to Freemasonry;

And you can verify that info anywhere, including with DeMolay themselves. They are Freemasons.

And the ceremony of facing an obelisk, tell me what other purpose that has? It is openly a Masonic ceremony to an idle of sun worship representing the penis of Osiris.

As you have proven yourself, in a ridiculous and ironic attempt to prove me wrong, Clinton is a Freemason. And watch the video I sourced you to for a picture of Clinton on the cover of Freemason Today.

[MKULTRA]

Originally Posted by JSmythe

I wish I could have been a participant in MKULTRA.

So what lodge do you belong to? Or should I ask what time it is?

[JSmythe]

Originally Posted by MKULTRA

So what lodge do you belong to? Or should I ask what time it is?

[MKULTRA]

Sorry mate, assumed by a couple of your posts that you might be a Freemason. No big deal if you are, a lot of my buddies are.

[JSmythe]

I am not... but how the hell did you get that from me wishing I was a participant in MKULTRA?

Does an affinity for hallucinogenics qualify me to join the Freemasons? That would be cool. I lived for 12 years in northern VA, and still do when not at school, I used to sled down the Masonic Temple's hills. Actually, I went inside once for a history project. We got down to the part where the actual Masons meet, it was weird. There was like a day care, and offices... I don't think we were supposed to be down there come to think of it.