Dems kill proposal to raise fines on employers who hire illegals

[6SpeedTA95]

Originally Posted by MKULTRA

Stuff much worse than this is already law. Employers can be prosecuted for this. They just aren't. Likewise, the states as well as the federal government already have the authority to build walls and prosecute employers for hiring illegals. It's just that the laws on the books aren't being enforced. If you want a massive conspiracy then this is it.

So this whole debate about passing all of these laws is pretty much a total hoax. Americans should be demanding the laws are enforced, not trying to pass new, watered down legislation that is already in place.

shit thats a good point

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by MKULTRA

Stuff much worse than this is already law. Employers can be prosecuted for this. They just aren't. Likewise, the states as well as the federal government already have the authority to build walls and prosecute employers for hiring illegals. It's just that the laws on the books aren't being enforced. If you want a massive conspiracy then this is it.

So this whole debate about passing all of these laws is pretty much a total hoax. Americans should be demanding the laws are enforced, not trying to pass new, watered down legislation that is already in place.

The ones on file suck. I want them to be harsher and enforced. Just because some want the penalties to be more strict doesn't mean we don't realize they're already on the books. It's understood within the terminology, stricter laws against hiring illegals would mean they're already there.

And the idea of getting new legislation passed saying we want laws to be stricter also tells the enforcers that the people want the laws enforced. This would have been a good stepping stone to making laws more strict and letting the ones with power to do something about it realize that America wants it done.

Instead the Democrats strongly blocked it telling them that what they've been doing (ignoring it) is what America wants. This was the wrong move for America and a step in the wrong direction.

Bush had his catch-phrases and stuck to them ignoring other issues. Now with the 100 hours the Democrats are doing the same thing they accused the GOP of. I'm sick and tired of hearing about "100 hours." I'd rather them do something good things for America and stop ignoring important issues to make sure they can withhold all the media attention to raise the minimum wage and other such agendas. What a waste.

[JSmythe]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

yes the government is us

Where do you live? I want to move there!

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by JSmythe

Where do you live? I want to move there!

america

[motivez]

I don't agree with a guest worker program honestly. After reading up on it, it seems like it creates an underclass of people in this country, and I think Americans will do those jobs if the pay is right.

Just the other day I saw a homeless guy on the street looking for carpentry work. I suspect he couldn't get a job due to the large number of illegals in the construction industry in North Carolina.

I'm definitely conservative on immigration because I think we're a nation of laws, and I don't think the law should be selectively enforced or applied like some do when it comes to issues like illegal wiretapping, etc.. I think it's ridiculous Bush has done nothing to solve this, and even more ridiculous that Democrats would continue his policy by blocking attempts to solve immigration problems.

That said, I think the vast majority of illegal immigrants are good people who simply want to do a days work, get paid, support their family and live their lives.

However, they broke the law when they came here. I have no problem with immigration when it's done legally, but we have a massive interest in knowing who coming into our country for obvious reasons.

With borders more open than Paris Hilton after a few drinks, we're leaving ourselves incredibly vulnerable to attacks, not just from terrorism, but from smaller time criminals, drug cartels, regular crime, etc..

[Dumpy Dooby]

If you serve in a division of the Armed Forces, you're automatically granted citizenship. I think we should just draft the illegal immigrants, make them serve in our military, and then grant amnesty to whoever is left. If they decide that they'd rather not live here under that condition, then perhaps they can do something else to prove allegiance.

Or we can just conquer Mexico. Mexican Fed just ordered Tijuana cops to disarm (the cops are literally carrying slingshots now ), so we can start by taking that, right?

[nbiggershaft]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

Most everyone here at one time or another agreed that steps needed to help curb illegal immigration into this country was to stop the incentive, but fining businesses who hired illegals. I can't think of one opposition to that off the top of my head from LL.

Allah has it worded nicely, but I want to highlight some of the more hilarious points.

Basically Jeff Sessions, along with the minimum wage hike, wanted to fine businesses who hired illegals, citing that illegals hurt minimum wage workers, and suppressed minimum wage standards.



What's hilarious is that Democrats opposed it:



But:

I'd rather see it come up as a seperate bill and not as an add on. This is the problem with looking at just voting records, people can make claims like, So and so voted against giving our troops body armor, when in reality it was voted against because it had bullshit hidden in it, or had no place in the original bill. I'll reserve judgement until they shoot it down when Sessions proposes it as it's own bill.

[7960]

Originally Posted by JSmythe

........ if you want to come live here, you should be able to. Purriod.

This country shouldn't have the right to choose who we allow to enter and become a citizen?