I have a question

JamesJB · 01-26-2007, 11:36 PM

My question is,when a Nation's Goverment is a idiot why do the civilians of this country or other country's have to suffer?

I mean when there is a War. Why does'nt the so called enemy go after the goverment? Why is it that the so called enemy have to kill innocent civilians?

I mean if the U.S. goverment decides to attack someone why is it automaticly all Americans are the enemy? Or all Iraqi or Saudi etc? Not everyone in the country is going to agree to war so why do we have to suffer cause of the stupidy of the goverment?

I have always wondered about this.

All i said above,i hope it made sense.

Pro Street · 01-26-2007, 11:58 PM

Originally Posted by JamesJB

I mean if the U.S. goverment decides to attack someone why is it automaticly all Americans are the enemy?

I think you answered your own question.

as to what's going on in Iraq, it's a power vacuum.

Dictator was disposed, so the sects are now free to fight. American's are just pretty much in the cross fire.

Diamond Cross · 01-27-2007, 01:01 AM

Well, one reason, at least for America, is because America is a represented republic, that is we have a government that usually acts on behalf of some group of people's interests. That perception tends to get distorted to include all Americans everywhere, which is not neccessarily true.

Another reason is that those people who do so, also do not understand things like individuality and have a collective mind.

JamesJB · 01-27-2007, 01:11 AM

what i really ment was any war any country not just Iraq. why is it civilians are the ones that get killed?

For example if a Iraqi Civilian or a Saudi Civilian would come over here why do we have to automaticly consider them a enemy?

For example i remember reading long time ago that 2 saudi's tried to get on a city bus here in the U.S. and the bus driver didnt let them on because they were saudi. Not every saudi is the enemy. To me this just dont seem right at all,if i was there at that time i would of told the bus driver what he did was wrong and made the bus driver stop and let those people on.

Becasue of our goverments we civilians suffer during the time of war or peace time.

i also hear if a American went to Iran,Cuba,and for a while Russia,etc they would automaticly be considered a target,why?

Im sorry its just these things i really dont understand,and politics are confuseing lol.

Diamond Cross · 01-27-2007, 01:17 AM

Civillians simply get caught in the crossfire because often they have nowhere they can go for shelter.

Think of it.

In this hypothetical, say foreign troops are fighting in your city or town where you're at.

Can you just up and leave? Do you have somewhere you can go such as say relatives or friends to visit?

In this case, it's because they can't go anywhere. How can you escape a bomb that can destroy a ten story building with one explosion or dodge hundreds of bullets that can go through walls?

It's simply because they have no real protection and can't really go anywhere to escape the fighting between military forces.

JamesJB · 01-27-2007, 01:20 AM

So technicly the so called enemy isnt really targeting civilians and there only trying to kill the soldiers? And any civilian deaths are considered accidents?

If so that makes me feel a little better.

A thought comes to mind though,if they arnt trying to kill civilians why does the so called enemy use/force them for shields sometimes?

Diamond Cross · 01-27-2007, 01:22 AM

Yes, most governments do not specifically target civillians, and thus they are accidental deaths because they can not get out of the crossfire. The correct term is called collateral damage.

kinggovernor · 01-27-2007, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by JamesJB

For example if a Iraqi Civilian or a Saudi Civilian would come over here why do we have to automaticly consider them a enemy?

we don't

ballz2wallz · 01-27-2007, 10:18 AM

The government, in our case, was voted on by the people, elected by the people, and given power by the people. In essence, they represent the people of America; they ARE the people.

Diamond Cross · 01-27-2007, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by JamesJB

So technicly the so called enemy isnt really targeting civilians and there only trying to kill the soldiers? And any civilian deaths are considered accidents?

If so that makes me feel a little better.

A thought comes to mind though,if they arnt trying to kill civilians why does the so called enemy use/force them for shields sometimes?

They use them for shields for several reasons. Mostly though, they're trying to show they have the upper hand morally because they have no means of fighting back against such a strong opposing force and if you want to stop the civillian deaths, then you'll force that side to stop. It does not mean that they do, though.

It also gives them a kind of shield to operate freely because if the one side stops their attacks out of concern for the civillians, there's no guaruntee the side using the civillians as shields will stop attacking the other side.

RMNIXON · 01-27-2007, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by Pro Street

I think you answered your own question.

as to what's going on in Iraq, it's a power vacuum.

Dictator was disposed, so the sects are now free to fight. American's are just pretty much in the cross fire.

If the central issue is to get Americans out of Iraq then why are they not the primary target? One reason is they are armed and fight back. So you kill as many people as you can who are in the political/religious camp of your perceived enemies long and hard enough so that the American politicians pull their people out. The problem is that won't end the violence. And if the Iranian's and Saudi's are drawn into that vacumm innocent deaths multiply beyond imagination.

6SpeedTA95 · 01-27-2007, 06:55 PM

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goldenponderbob · 01-28-2007, 10:25 AM

Americans are the central target in Iraq because that's the only thing
these factions (Al quieda, Insurgents, Sunnis & Shiites) have in common.

The cement, as it were, that binds Arabs into what passes for culture.

Hating Americans, maiming Amerians, and killing americans both as Americans and as proxies for the even more hated Jews is their basic bread and butter.

We have movies, science, theater, TV, magazines, concerts and disneyland;
they have hatred.

Why we make it so easy to facilitate that is what boggles me.

goldenponderbob