it really bothers me that the minimum wage bill was blocked - Page 6

Scrum · 08-04-2006, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by hsmith

please tell me how the gov't is a better spender of money than the investment analsists who control the Hilton fortune

Tell me how the government is a better spender than I am?

7960 · 08-04-2006, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

thats the flaw in your argument

And the flaw in your argument is IT'S NOT YOUR MONEY. It's Hilton money, or Smith money, or money some other family earned or won or found in a ditch. I don't give a shit how Paris ends up rich, I just don't understand this whole "but she should pay more because she didn't *earn* it" bullshit.

Originally Posted by lew

So you want to push your beliefs on what "earning" means on to someone else?

Fascist.

Finally, someone calls it what it is. Thank you.

lew · 08-04-2006, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

You want to push your beliefs on what "life" is?

Right back at ya.

hsmith · 08-04-2006, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

Tell me how the government is a better spender than I am?

the government ISN'T that is why. if you have ever worked with the gov't, you'd understand this. not to mention how local money is lost because money is squandered in other areas.

you tax 100 districts and only spend the money in 5 of them, you are stealing money from the other 95 districts and making the 5 rich. not fair, now is it.

Thorgrim · 08-04-2006, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

VERY few assets are kept in deposit boxes, if someone wants to keep money in that, its their money so they can do what they want, but the vast majority wont do that.

you asked for an example...

and we know there are ways of saving (like buying gold) are one time hits that are nothing like buying a burger which goes to the company which goes to the employee which goes to buying a soda which goes to the company etc...around and around

That's the kind of spending the poor do, the rich are much more likely to do extreme savings that keeps money out of circulation which hurts the economy and causes depressions

Scrum · 08-04-2006, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by 7960

Finally, someone calls it what it is. Thank you.

Yeah it's facist to say everyone must follow the same set of tax rules.

The rule is "you're handed money you haven't payed taxes on and we tax you".

ballz2wallz · 08-04-2006, 11:32 AM

so harold, what do you think of this bill being blocked?

ballz2wallz · 08-04-2006, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

Yeah it's facist to say everyone must follow the same set of tax rules.

i think he's saying the rules themselves are sometimes fascist, and need to be changed. it has nothing to do with who follows them.

Diesel66 · 08-04-2006, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

A F T E R

1932 is after the depression ?

hsmith · 08-04-2006, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

so harold, what do you think of this bill being blocked?

min wage is a wage depressent that keeps unskilled people from gaining skills and making an honest living. people who lack skills must take the lower paying job to attain these skills.

if someone was only worth $5/hr and you had to pay them $7/hr, it is not in your economic interest to hire them. thus they stay unskilled, earning nothing.

it is a horrible invention.

hsmith · 08-04-2006, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

Yeah it's facist to say everyone must follow the same set of tax rules.

The rule is "you're handed money you haven't payed taxes on and we tax you".

So, why are the rich being taxed at 39% and the poor being taxed at 15% or not at all?

Those aren't fair tax laws, now are they? Which way do you want it?

Thorgrim · 08-04-2006, 11:35 AM

Ok well this debate is going to where our current and popular progressive tax system is being linked to the tyranny of Benito Mussolini

I think this one is running out of juice...

Scrum · 08-04-2006, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

i think he's saying the rules themselves are sometimes fascist, and need to be changed. it has nothing to do with who follows them.

If they want to change the rules for everyone, I would be all for it. To change the rules for some because they are more valuabe is bullshit.

7960 · 08-04-2006, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

In our last depression, the rich and others saved their money and refused to spend it, it caused a depression

What Caused the Great Depression of the 1930's

The depression started because of politics and policy. The rich saved their money as a result of the depression hitting......their "keeping" money did not start the depression.

You have your cause and effect backwards.

ballz2wallz · 08-04-2006, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by hsmith

min wage is a wage depressent that keeps unskilled people from gaining skills and making an honest living. people who lack skills must take the lower paying job to attain these skills.

if someone was only worth $5/hr and you had to pay them $7/hr, it is not in your economic interest to hire them. thus they stay unskilled, earning nothing.

it is a horrible invention.

i agree, but i also believe minimum wage is not going to go away. we will always have it. so now we must work with it.

hsmith · 08-04-2006, 11:36 AM

Actually the depression was caused because interest rates were lowered and too much capital flowed to the wrong individuals. Once the market started to corrrect itself, it was over before it could be fixed

Thorgrim · 08-04-2006, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by Diesel66

1932 is after the depression ?

You mean 1933

And yes, thats after the depression hit

unless you want to say 1931-1932 were booming times?

hsmith · 08-04-2006, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

i agree, but i also believe minimum wage is not going to go away. we will always have it. so now we must work with it.

i disagree, it is a perfect time to get rid of it. like any gov't program. all it does is keep the poor poor.

ballz2wallz · 08-04-2006, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

If they want to change the rules for everyone, I would be all for it. To change the rules for some because they are more valuabe is bullshit.

uh, they ARE changing it for everyone. the estate tax applies to everyone, including you and me. when your dad gives you your inheritance, no matter how much or how little it is, you won' thave to pay taxes on it.

look, even people that get a mere 500k still have to pay an assload of taxes. YOU pay this shit too, not just the rich.

lew · 08-04-2006, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

Yeah it's facist to say everyone must follow the same set of tax rules.

The rule is "you're handed money you haven't payed taxes on and we tax you".

So then you're for the poor paying taxes? After all, everyone should pay taxes right?