Anti-socialists, gather 'round

[Thorgrim]

Well keep voting libertarian, keep me updated on your progress

[7960]

Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby

Those that benefit off the stupidity of others, as an example.

no matter what we do stupid people will never be in short supply, sadly

[Dumpy Dooby]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Well keep voting libertarian, keep me updated on your progress

Well keep voting in favor of oppression, censorship, intolerance, and thievery. Hopefully one day you'll reach your goal, and you can die with the satisfaction of knowing that you were part of one of the most hypocritical groups in human history. Give yourself a big fucking pat on the back, pal.

[Scrum]

Nice wording of the question.

[Dumpy Dooby]

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

Nice wording of the question.

Thanks. I figured you socialists "progressive liberals" would like that.

[David Octavius]

Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby

Okay, I see complaining about funding housing, medical care, welfare systems, etc., but I'm wondering where you guys draw the line when it comes to socialism?

Most of the anti-socialists are okay with funding a school system, transportation system, military, etc. By logical extension, it would seem that such exceptions are inconsistent with the "Why should someone else be able to spend my money?" mantra that is touted by you guys.

So that's what this thread is about. Where do you draw the line, and how do you resolve the intellectual inconsistency?

I don't understand the premise of your argument, are you seeking pure capitalism? Because that is inconsistent with representative democracy, it seems to me you want a system in which the government is merely a conduit to those that control the means of production and wealth

Maybe you can enlighten me but I don't know of any successful nation that is purely capitalistic, the reason being, it doesn't work. Just like it doesn't work if it was purely socialist or communist. Every system has one inherit flaw, they all presuppose ideal conditions that never happen in the real world, hence the need for a mix system and we are lucky to have it. We just need to find the best balance between the two

[ballz2wallz]

I don't like the word 'steal' in the question. Nobody should ever steal anybody's money.

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby

Thanks. I figured you socialists "progressive liberals" would like that.

Awesome. You made a steaming pile of a thread.

Now i'm going to post a poll thread asking if libertarians can't win an election because....

A. They are poopie pants

or

B. They have cooties

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

I don't like the word 'steal' in the question. Nobody should ever steal anybody's money.

He thinks taxation is stealing.

[Dumpy Dooby]

Originally Posted by David Octavius

I don't understand the premise of your argument, are you seeking pure capitalism? Because that is inconsistent with representative democracy, it seems to me you want a system in which the government is merely a conduit to those that control the means of production and wealth

Good. It should be inconsistent with representative democracy. Representative democracies are almost as bad as democracies themselves.

Maybe you can enlighten me but I don't know of any successful nation that is purely capitalistic, the reason being, it doesn't work.

Maybe you can enlighten me, but I don't know of any nation that has ever proposed an economic system that was purely capitalistic.

Just like it doesn't work if it was purely socialist or communist. Every system has one inherit flaw, they all presuppose ideal conditions that never happen in the real world, hence the need for a mix system and we are lucky to have it. We just need to find the best balance between the two

I disagree. The "gray area" is just limited oppression, but it's oppression nonetheless.

[Dumpy Dooby]

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

He thinks taxation is stealing.

I only think it's stealing of there's no logical reason for doing it. Lay out an objective argument in favor of taxation, and I'll be all for it.

Good luck, buttercup.

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby

I only think it's stealing of there's no logical reason for doing it. Lay out an objective argument in favor of taxation, and I'll be all for it.

Good luck, buttercup.

You're right.

There is no logical reason to have a military, working roads, an education system and a police force.


Its funny when you guys argue this stuff, not the healthcare/housing thing, but this in general.
If everyone wanted the system you want it would be in place. You were either born under these rules or came here while they were in place. That leaves you with 2 options if you don't like the system. Change it though voting for and electiing an official who will do this, or go do what none has ever done before and start your own country with this system.

But make sure to ask yourself, why has this never been done before?

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby

I only think it's stealing of there's no logical reason for doing it. Lay out an objective argument in favor of taxation, and I'll be all for it.

From a Christian perspective, the Bible specifically makes sure that Christians understand their duty to pay the government's taxes.

And there ARE logical reasons for paying some taxes. Just not all the taxes we currently have.

[Diamond Cross]

Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby

I only think it's stealing of there's no logical reason for doing it. Lay out an objective argument in favor of taxation, and I'll be all for it.

Good luck, buttercup.

Thats why people believe you're really nothing more than anarchists.

[Dumpy Dooby]

Originally Posted by Diamond Cross

Thats why people believe you're really nothing more than anarchists.

The people that believe that certainly lack education in political philosophy. Libertarianism and anarchism are quite different. Nobody's rights are protected in an anarchist society. Everybody's rights are protected in a libertarian society. If you don't see that fundamental difference, then you should seek education.

[Dumpy Dooby]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

From a Christian perspective, the Bible specifically makes sure that Christians understand their duty to pay the government's taxes.

The Bible also advocates making many of the Christian morals into state law. Blue laws violate our liberties. I suppose that's irrelevant, though. The fact that they preach it is your duty seems rather consistent with tithing.

And there ARE logical reasons for paying some taxes. Just not all the taxes we currently have.

Give me one logical reason for paying one tax. I'm not saying that none exist, but I can't think of any at the moment.

[Dumpy Dooby]

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

Change it though voting for and electiing an official who will do this,

That would be ironic considering I don't support the concept of voting on legislation.

or go do what none has ever done before and start your own country with this system.

You gonna give me the land? Maybe I can just conquer a weak US state like Wyoming or Canada or something.

But make sure to ask yourself, why has this never been done before?

Because it would necessarily strip the powers that be of virtually all of their powers. Like you said, most people are just looking out for number one, so those powers wouldn't really want to do that.

[ballz2wallz]

Originally Posted by Dumpy Dooby

The Bible also advocates making many of the Christian morals into state law. Blue laws violate our liberties. I suppose that's irrelevant, though. The fact that they preach it is your duty seems rather consistent with tithing.

Don't confuse the laws of the Bible with laws instituted by the state perverted by man.

The Bible makes a clear distinction on the difference between Biblical laws and laws set up by man. It also makes clear that despite a desire to disobey the laws of man because they may be 'stupid' in our eyes, that we are to obey them, until they become immoral in the eyes of God. There is a distinction.

Give me one logical reason for paying one tax. I'm not saying that none exist, but I can't think of any at the moment.

Our government would not exist without money. The only way a government can get money is from taxes. We cannot have a country (especially the country we have) without a government. That's the most basic reason, and the only reason you need, to excuse taxes.

Like I said, the extent of taxation is certainly up for debate.

[lew]

Originally Posted by ballz2wallz

From a Christian perspective, the Bible specifically makes sure that Christians understand their duty to pay the government's taxes.

And there ARE logical reasons for paying some taxes. Just not all the taxes we currently have.

Not really. I encourage you to read this essay. Disagree with it or not, please at least read it and consider.


Jesus Is an Anarchist, by James Redford -- anti-state.com