Al Gore nominated for Nobel Peace Prize

[Kytro]

Originally Posted by Diesel66

The problem is our current "fix" will do a lot of damage for very little good.


If any of the main stream predictions are correct, the 1/4-1/2C from kyoto wont do shit. But it will cost an exorbitant amount.

On that I agree, Kyoto is useless. The costs to actually "fix" the problem will cost much more than people will accept. The thing is costs of massive proportions may be completely unavoidable - not just economic ones, though will be bad enough

[Thorgrim]

Corporations are being supportive, except for exxonmobil who ofcourse doesn't want to rock the boat of their 40 billion in profits a year (fucking christ)

[R-Type]

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

I don't say it's a liberal conspiracy. I assume good intentions even among the uninformed unless I have evidence to the contrary. With that said my simple warning is that there are anti-capitalist sack riders who have been working the environmental movement for many decades now. Only recently has capitalism gained ground by developing and marketing new environment friendly technology. Do a google of the words 'Capitalism' and 'environment' and you will get some interesting mixed results. That does not mean the concerns about the environment are not legit. Just be careful of hidden agendas that filter the blame.

Well, I haven't seen much evidence that al gore has an underhanded 'agenda' with his movie and eco-friendly work. I honestly try not to be suckered in by propaganda...both sides fling shit and play populist games to win elections. Do you at least agree that there are also right wing agendas that would seek to hide any sort of truth on the matter out of self-interest? Remember, in its quest for ever-increasing profit, big industry can be just as deadly an enemy to liberty as big government.

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

The gain is simply more government control of the economic sector under the guise of environment protection. How do explain the opposition to swapping environmental credits if the whole planet is at stake? Perhaps because it weakens government control over each and every business no matter the cost?

and the desire for control of the private sector comes from what exactly? Greed? Thirst of power? I fail to see what consistent/coherent goal 'they' would want to or could accomplish. If we don't like 'em, they know they can be voted out of office, right? Too bad the public can't 'vote out' company owners/officers who trash thousands of employees' savings futures or cause massive ecological damage with their myopia concerning profit. As far as swapping 'environmental credits' goes, that could just as easily come from private interest trying to do an end run around the regulations put in place to protect the environment. You're right, though.. it IS bullshit because the trading nullifies the whole point.

So far, the only side with a coherent motive to manipulate studies about industry's effects on the environment would be industry itself...and whose coffers do they fill? Certainly not al gore's. After all, like governmental officials, business owners seek the same kinds of power over society because that helps secure future profit. The only difference is they deal in slightly different currency.

[Diesel66]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Corporations are being supportive, except for exxonmobil who ofcourse doesn't want to rock the boat of their 40 billion in profits a year (fucking christ)

yes lets bitch about 10 % profit while other industries routinely make twice that much.

but noooo chevron is gouging the public

[JSmythe]

Originally Posted by Diesel66

yes lets bitch about 10 % profit while other industries routinely make twice that much.

but noooo chevron is gouging the public

exactly, the profits aren't big at all if you look at the amount of revenue they have