Texan Women Must have STD Vaccine

[IminWonderland]

And aside from that, making it required would reduce the cost, and it would also make it so insurance companies HAVE to cover it (for the most part) because it would be considered preventitive medecine.

[R-Type]

I fail to see how religion should play a part in this at all. If this was brain or throat cancer, they wouldn't say a word, but because it has to do with a vagina......

by all means, if there's controversy over the safety of a vaccine, withhold your kid until they figure it out..but otherwise parents who withhold for superstitious reasons are just being foolish. They are potentially allowing their kid to become a threat to others if he ends up with the disease.

[Dharma Bum]

Thing is, people might see giving their kids the vaccine as giving the next generation cart blanche to go around having sex whenever with whoever. Some people believe sex isn't something you shouldn't enjoy with as many people as possible, and encourage having one sexual partner for life. That's boring, in my opinion, but okay. Plus side is, you don't spread diseases in a monogamous relationship, except between two people. Frankly, when I'm a dirty old man some day, I hope there is as big an abundance of horny nineteen year old girls with daddy issues then as there is now.

[Thorgrim]

Nice statistics to back up your OP

I've known several girls, who were barely sexually active, who had to have major surgery to try and PREVENT cancer, and they have to go get check-ups to make sure it hasn't come back

It's a simple matter of whether you care about human life or not

it goes dormant for years, it can be spread by HAND CONTACT, a guy who is active with HPV can not be tested, there is no way for him to find out if he has it or not

This is not some STD, this is a completely different league

people who oppose this are ignorant, there are so many ways to contract this that a fully clean born again christian male can pass it on to his wife on their honey moon if he is unlucky enough to have had simple hand contact with a girl YEARS before

You guys really should read up on HPV

I'm getting a little sick of this "oh i heard something on a blog, let me give you my SCIENTIFIC OPINION without having done any real research"

[7960]

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

....what if we didn't vaccinate for things like Polio and Measles?

I never got those

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

If the HPV is spread through sexual contact then thats an increased risk to society as well.

You could make that argument about anything.... not having a primary care physician means people get sick more often and that's a risk to society. Do we force everyone to get a PCP? Not getting 8hrs sleep means people are more tired and that's a risk to society. Do we force everyone to go to bed? Not eating a well balanced breakfast means people's blood sugar can crash during the day and that's a risk to society. Do we force people to eat?

But anyway........ 36,000 people die every year from influenza (link, last bullet). Only 3,900 die from cervical cancer (link).

Why do we not require everyone to get the flu vaccine but we're going to require women get this one?

[hsmith]

Watch it have some ill side effects in 10-20 years

It is just a nice payoff to Merek who gets $360+ for each shot. Nice to be a stock holder

[hsmith]

Originally Posted by Dharma Bum

Thing is, people might see giving their kids the vaccine as giving the next generation cart blanche to go around having sex whenever with whoever. Some people believe sex isn't something you shouldn't enjoy with as many people as possible, and encourage having one sexual partner for life. That's boring, in my opinion, but okay. Plus side is, you don't spread diseases in a monogamous relationship, except between two people. Frankly, when I'm a dirty old man some day, I hope there is as big an abundance of horny nineteen year old girls with daddy issues then as there is now.

So when the cure for HIV comes out, will people refuse to allow it to be used because it gives kids "a free pass" to have "all the sex they want?"

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by hsmith

Watch it have some ill side effects in 10-20 years

That's a great argument against vaccines

[7960]

Originally Posted by hsmith

So when the cure for HIV comes out, will people refuse to allow it to be used because it gives kids "a free pass" to have "all the sex they want?"

Probably there will be, yes.

[hsmith]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

That's a great argument against vaccines

Oh, I guess the growing debate over the vaccine that may cause autism is just silly.

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by hsmith

Oh, I guess the growing debate over the vaccine that may cause autism is just silly.

Yes, anecdotal arguments are quite silly

[motivez]

How is it an anecdotal argument?

[TheScatman]

Again here is the problem with public schools...in a free market education system if you you didnt agree with a schools vaccination policy you could just switch schools

but now since people are quasi-forced to go to public school (since they cant afford to double pay for education) its pretty much forced on these young girls

[MKULTRA]

Originally Posted by IminWonderland

I think it's ironic that they would have to even make it a law.

I sign my kids up for all vaccinations, and will include this one for Sophie when she's old enough.

And that's because I think dying from Cervical Cancer would be a shitty end to her life, so if I can do this when she's younger, to do my own part, then I definatley will, and aside from religious, or allergy reasons, I don't see why a parent would opt out, although it's their perogative.

That's ridiculous. I find it pathetic that most Americans don't even study or look into vaccines and just simply take someone's word for it that they should get vaccinated. The flu shot is a great example. It has many, many, times the amount of what we are told is the safe level of mercury to have in your body at once. It is also usually batches that are ineffective because they are from flu viruses that are 6 years old. Yet, people go and get this without any kind research on their own part.

Likewise, take a look at things like SV40. A basic, the most basic, understanding how vaccines are made should tell you that they can be as dangerous as they are helpful.

You can actually take your kids and get them vaccinated with higher quality vaccines for about 30 bucks. They've removed the mercury from a lot of the vaccines but increased it in the other vaccines. They put stuff in the vaccines they give your kids that you could go to prison for giving a dog.

For those reasons, and just basic parenting rights and personal rights, no one should ever be forced to take any vaccine.

Also, there are a lot of doctors and even congressmen speaking out about the link between autism and mercury or the mercury based preservatives in vaccines. This is a page with many links, many to M.D. webpages.

The info is out there. People need to quit being so stupid and so blind in their trust that they would take their kid to the doctor and get them injected with 250x the safe amount of mercury. Then you have to take care of them while they spend the rest of their lives wiggling their fingers in front of their face and going 'aaaaaah' for hours every Sunday in church then blame yourself. I do feel bad for the kids of course and people that don't get the info but a lot of people just won't listen. They refuse to believe this sort of thing could happen, despite the fact other things similar to it have happened frequently throughout the short history of vaccines.

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by motivez

How is it an anecdotal argument?

There are hundreds of vaccines, he is picking out one that has had an issue with long term effects...almost all vaccines that have been tested in the manner this one has, in the US, only have a negative impact in the very very short term, not 10-20 years, he is using one case to try and scare people from a new vaccine

MMR is special because it's given at an extremely young age, is multiple dosage (obviously), and has been commercialized to try and save money

Even so...vaccines are better treated and tested than antibiotics, over the counter medication, health supplements, etc

There is now NO CORRELATION between autism and vaccines

I was talking to Dr. Fresadillon, an immunologist who teaches a class on this in Philadelphia

[Thorgrim]

Modern US vaccines have NO MERCURY except one which has vastly reduced rates than what is cited:

Mercury and Vaccines (Thimerosal)
At a glance: Thimerosal is a mercury-containing preservative used in some vaccines and other products since the 1930's. No harmful effects have been reported from thimerosal at doses used in vaccines, except for minor reactions like redness and swelling at the injection site. However, in July 1999, the Public Health Service (PHS) agencies, the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), and vaccine manufacturers agreed that thimerosal should be reduced or eliminated in vaccines as a precautionary measure.Today, with the exception of some Influenza (flu) vaccines, none of the vaccines used in the U.S. to protect preschool children against 12 infectious diseases contain thimerosal as a preservative.
Vaccine Safety-Mercury and Vaccines (Thimerosal)

[7960]

Originally Posted by hsmith

Oh, I guess the growing debate over the vaccine that may cause autism is just silly.

Yes, it is. Because even after the component of that vaccine was banned autism rates continued to rise in japan.

[7960]

Originally Posted by MKULTRA

That's ridiculous. I find it pathetic that most Americans don't even study or look into vaccines and just simply take someone's word for it that they should get vaccinated. The flu shot is a great example. It has many, many, times the amount of what we are told is the safe level of mercury to have in your body at once. It is also usually batches that are ineffective because they are from flu viruses that are 6 years old. Yet, people go and get this without any kind research on their own part.

Likewise, take a look at things like SV40. A basic, the most basic, understanding how vaccines are made should tell you that they can be as dangerous as they are helpful.

I don't usually use one thing someone says to discount something else they say, but this group loses all credibility with these statements:

We have concluded that:

1) there may have never been a poliovirus epidemic in the first place,
2) the poliovirus has never been pure isolated, and
3) no evidence exists to show that the poliovirus acts alone to cause poliomyelitis.

Also, there are a lot of doctors and even congressmen speaking out about the link between autism and mercury or the mercury based preservatives in vaccines. This is a page with many links, many to M.D. webpages.

Oh fuck, congressmen speaking out against something they have no fucking clue about!!! What shall we do!??!!?!?

The info is out there. People need to quit being so stupid and so blind in their trust that they would take their kid to the doctor and get them injected with 250x the safe amount of mercury. .....

Talk about needing to do your research

Especially convincing were a Danish study showing no difference in the rate of autism between children who got thimerosal-containing vaccines and those who did not and a British study showing no relationship between the introduction of MMR and autism rates, or between the timing of a vaccination and the onset of autism symptoms.

Fourteen studies, including nine controlled ones, found no association between the MMR vaccine and autism. Three that found a connection are poorly designed or offer very indirect evidence that could be explained in other ways, the authors said.

Experts Find No Vaccine-Autism Link (washingtonpost.com)

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by TheScatman

Again here is the problem with public schools...in a free market education system if you you didnt agree with a schools vaccination policy you could just switch schools

but now since people are quasi-forced to go to public school (since they cant afford to double pay for education) its pretty much forced on these young girls

They can opt out.


And what does "double pay" have to do with anything? They are still free to go to private school.
Is something not free market if I cannot afford it?