Originally Posted by Thorgrim Modern US vaccines have NO MERCURY except one which has vastly reduced rates than what is cited: Mercury and Vaccines (Thimerosal) At a glance: Thimerosal is a mercury-containing preservative used in some vaccines and other products since the 1930's. No harmful effects have been reported from ...
02-03-2007, 11:36 PM
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| Originally Posted by Thorgrim This is a lie. I'm not saying you're lying intentionally but there is a lot of bad info put out there on purpose. It is still used in some vaccines.
And also, numerous doctors and veterinarians have came out against Thimerosal in vaccines because it has been directly linked to Autism and other problems. Numerous lawsuits have been filed against producers of vaccines that use thimerosal in vaccines. And as I stated earlier, all kinds of congressmen as well as prestigious universities, like Calgary University, have came out saying it causes Autism and other harmful side affects. You cannot put 250X the safe amount of Mercury in your child and get positive results from that. I don't know any wealthy(by wealthy I mean millionaire) parent that gets their kids government issued shots. They go and pay for them, as they're safer. Kids almost always develop autism around 18 months, during their 3rd round of shots. I have seen all kinds of ridiculous theories about chromosomes, etc. causing autism and granted, it could be caused by more than one thing, but by and large, groups that do not get vaccines do not have autistic children. They quit using mercury in some of the vaccines because of the pressure from the medical establishment. For most kids the mercury shot is just gonna be an IQ reduction but if your kid goes into a stroke after his/her shot and you don't get their system flushed out, there is a good chance they'll be staring at their hands for the next 60 years. And I'm sure there's gonna be rampant denial to these facts, because that is just how people are. That is how they are anywhere, with anything, but I've worked in hospitals, and I've read what the government says as well as what other MDs and researchers say, no doubt in my mind this is at least the primary cause of autism. Last edited by MKULTRA; 02-03-2007 at 11:54 PM.. | ||||
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02-03-2007, 11:39 PM
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02-04-2007, 01:28 AM
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| Originally Posted by MKULTRA then you're a medical moron
no difference in the rate of autism between children who got thimerosal-containing vaccines and those who did not Texan Women Must have STD Vaccine | ||||
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02-04-2007, 03:11 AM
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| I believe the CDC, your article is from a questionable source and refers to one survey taken like what, almost 6 years ago? Which supposedly still found 95% of vaccines were in compliance with what the CDC claims is the current situation? Also, I believe doctors who teach at medical school when they tell me the current research has found no correlation in the most recent studies | ||||
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02-04-2007, 04:53 AM
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| The Bydo Empire must die! Independent
| Originally Posted by Dharma Bum Then that's fine. .They're free to make the sexual choices that are right for themselves...but not for anyone else. They are free to try and convince their kids their sexual mores as well, but that won't stop them from deciding differently. If these parents are willing to put their religious dogma ahead of their kids' safety, then that just shows how psychologically unbalanced they are. This is the problem with the religious right: They like to dictate terms while accusing everyone else of doing the same to them because THEY aren't being allowed to dictate...
 If they want to convince their kids not to have sex, there should be far more relevant and compelling reasoning they could use... unless of course, their holier-than-thou ethics aren't as self-evident as they'd like to believe. | ||||
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02-04-2007, 08:38 AM
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| Dissapointed American  Realist Michigan
| So, the Gov of Texas decides to do his old friend who is a paid mouthpiece for the drug companies a favor and require this vaccine? It amazes me that this was allowed to be implemented this way! Someone says it good for the children and we're supposed to follow along like sheep? After all this is the Govt and they are here to help right? Our family doctor recommended we NOT get our daughter this vaccination ( a female pediatrician by the way) This is not something you force on sixth graders, let them make an informed decision in a few years if they want it or not. You want to take a chance with your kids fine, you don't get to with mine period!  | ||||
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02-04-2007, 01:42 PM
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| Originally Posted by MKULTRA All the CDC and private organizations can do is guess which flu bugs will come around this year. And they put in the top three strains.
Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent Pay for the schooling they dont use in property taxes then pay for it directly in tution.
You can make the argument that the property tax doesnt pay for their child to go to school but schooling for everyone though. | ||||
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02-04-2007, 03:42 PM
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| One American Family at a Time.  Idealist The OC, California
| Originally Posted by northhunter Why would you let a child make this decision? Even as a teenager? Why would a vaccination against a disease be a discussion with the child?
My pediatrician has reccommended it, and although most insurances don't cover it yet, many people are already getting it for their daughters. What I don't understand, is why are so fearful of women having sex, that anything that would make having sex safer has to be a social discussion. This shouldn't be a social discussion, the FDA, and the AMA, among other experts set up this list of vaccinations for children, they are reccommended. As a parent, it's up to the individual family to either make the choice to do them, or to not. Using a person's potential actions in the future, should not be a determinent for medical care. Just because my daughter might turn into a whore, does't mean that I should withhold a vaccine "Just in case she decides to have sex". Who raises their kids to have sex just for the heck of it any ways? And if she did, it's not going to be because she got a vaccine. Kids grow up. And kids become adults. And then they have sex just like the rest of us, and hopefully enjoy it and like it, and are responsible about it. But, a vaccine isn't going to affect those things, and to me, that reasoning is super lame. A 6th grader shouldn't make this decision, or an 8th grader.
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02-04-2007, 04:16 PM
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| Dissapointed American Realist Michigan
| Like I said, if you want to take the risk with your child fine. Don't expect others to do the same. | ||||
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02-04-2007, 04:43 PM
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| Banned - Self Imposed Progressive Philadelphia, PA
| THERE'S NO RISK Also YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE SEX TO GET HPV | ||||
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02-04-2007, 04:49 PM
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| Lurker Independent Austin, TX
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim Almost everything written on Mercola is from MDs. And let's not act like that is the only study I've linked you to here, far from it.
Doctors are taught what to teach by the same interests that control the FDA. Do not fool yourself into believing these are 100% trustworthy sources. This country has a long history of eugenics and the medicine in general has a longer history of mistakes. Certainly, they are a very educated group and have done a lot of great things but let's not pretend they aren't suspect here. 6 years ago is not 600 years ago. That is fairly recent. Here is another 2004 source pointing out that mercury is still in the flu shots given to babies. Vaccine Links To Autism? - CBS News
Also, the Amish do not have Autism. There is a direct link between vaccinations and autism. http://www.mercola.com/2005/may/4/amish_autism.htm | ||||
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02-04-2007, 04:50 PM
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| Lurker Independent Austin, TX
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim How can you say there is no risk in vaccines? They've found cancer viruses in them, as I've already linked you to. Just the way they are made makes them extremely susceptible to contamination. Don't misunderstand me, there are great benefits to vaccines. But at the same time, let's not pretend the dangers aren't there.
Originally Posted by Diesel66 That is my point. These shots are near worthless and people are getting sick from them and getting poisoned from them. No one should be forced to take them and no one's kids should be forced to take them.
And also, if you guys are going to make claims like "there is no link between autism and vaccines" or something of that nature, you're going to have to do better than putting up a link back to the first page of the thread lol. I actually do click on the links given and read them. | ||||
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02-04-2007, 04:59 PM
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| Originally Posted by MKULTRA I love the giant jump they do. OMG they dont get vaccinated so that must mean its the vaccination.
their argument is idiotic. No disease is perfectly spread out among every single group of people. btw Autism News & More: The Age of Autism: Amish genes Since they marry within their group, their genes are close to each other. They have genes that make them less likely to get autism/Alzheimer's. | ||||
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02-04-2007, 05:11 PM
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| Banned - Self Imposed Progressive Philadelphia, PA
| All you posted was a web article, where is your medical journal? to your other posts: HPV vaccines DO NOT HAVE THIMEROSAL therefore no mercury, therefore no risk vaccines are better tested and handled than antibiotics, or basically any medication, if we were to apply your criticisms we'd have to shut down all medical treatments because "it could be contaminated...there is SOME chance" or "it could cause cancer, you NEVER know!" HPV-vaccines prevent cancer and have no thimerosal(mercury/whatever) bottom line should be /thread However I am guessing there will still be skeptics of medicine... | ||||
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02-04-2007, 07:06 PM
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| Lurker Independent Austin, TX
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim I never said it was a medical journal. Let's not start putting words in my mouth. I said the site was written primarily by MDs. And if you read any of the articles I linked you to, they do link back to congressional testimony as well as various medical records and the opinions of various MDs.
Your conclusion that there is no thimerosal, therefor no risk is also based in idiocy. As I've posted, cancer viruses have been spread in vaccines and large batches of them have became contaminated, like what happened in Europe not so long ago. This is not just a case of anything having a small risk margin. There are obvious risks in taking vaccinations. I would agree that in this case the benefits outweigh the risks by a long shot but I'd also agree that I do not have the authority to force anyone else to make that decision. | ||||
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02-04-2007, 07:08 PM
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| Originally Posted by Diesel66
 Oh I love the site. All Amish have these great genes according to autismblogspot  Amish are not the only group that don't come down with Autism. Seriously, look at all sides of this and make a decision. | ||||
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02-04-2007, 07:43 PM
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| Banned - Self Imposed Progressive Philadelphia, PA
| uh, who cares about europe we have our own system, are we going to compare our medical practices to how they practice in africa next? Lots of people have MDs, if they are too stupid to make a serious medical journal, I don't care what they have to say, omg Dr. Atkins had a MD lets all take up his diet! You are using scare tactics about "contaminated vaccines" which is NOT a problem in today's America, and mercury scares which again is NOT contained The talk about cancer is BS for American, any competent doctor will check to see if you are immunosuppressed, which is the only reasonable way to just get a condition that COULD lead to cancer if UNTREATED It's such a stretch, we should have children walking around our schools in bubbles because they might catch something from the crowded environment and die...shut down all schools BTW you don't HAVE to get the vaccine, even if there isn't the usual option to opt out, you can always home school | ||||
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02-04-2007, 07:54 PM
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| Lurker Independent Austin, TX
| Originally Posted by Thorgrim LMAO we get a lot of our vaccines from Europe. That is why that contamination caused a shortage over here.
I'm not saying everyone with an MD is right. I'm simply pointing out that there are educated and credible people on both sides of this discussion and that it is up to you and I to look at information from both sides and make up our own mind. I believe we should all have the right to do that with ourselves and our children. The viruses found in the vaccine, as I said before, are cancer causing viruses. I never said they always cause cancer, simply that they are cancer causing, much like HPV. Yes, contaminated vaccines are a problem, as was the case here recently with the flu shots. Mercury in vaccines is still a problem, as I have proven here. It has not been removed from all vaccines. I don't understand the need to blindly defend one side of this argument here. Well I do, but that's another thread in and of itself. To me, my health and my family's health is more important than my emotional investment in some government agency. I learned about all of this through my doctor. I have many friends who have not had their children vaccinated and none of them have autistic children. I have family that is Native American that do not take vaccines. None of them have autistic children. The Amish are just one example in many. | ||||
