Texan Women Must have STD Vaccine

[JaJae]

Originally Posted by MKULTRA

Did you not understand what I just told you? We get a lot of our vaccines from Europe. That is the problem. Recently they've corrected a lot of this but we still get vaccines from overseas and they do not do the same testing we do.

This vaccine comes from NJ and is considered to be pretty safe as far as I'm aware.

[7960]

Originally Posted by MKULTRA

And also, if you guys are going to make claims like "there is no link between autism and vaccines" or something of that nature, you're going to have to do better than putting up a link back to the first page of the thread lol. I actually do click on the links given and read them.

It wasn't a link to the first page, it was a link to a specific post that had yet another study that proved a) the studies that show a link between them were bogus, or b) that there just plain is no link.

So if you want to say there is a link between autism and vaccines you're going to have to provide a URL for a page that's an official study and not someone who doubts whether polio is real

[7960]

Originally Posted by MKULTRA

People have died from them.

You want to put up numbers for the amount of people who have died from a vaccine versus the number of people who died from NOT GETTING that vaccine? You keep talking about the flu vaccine............ 40,000 people in the US die every year from the flu. Are you saying there's *more* risk from getting the vaccine?

People, many people, have become autistic from them,

Nope. And you haven't even come close to "proving it" like you keep saying.

...... and others have gotten sick from them.

40,000 DIE from the flu every year. You're saying a significant number get sick from the vaccine? 40k DEAD. How many get sick from the vaccine?

[MKULTRA]

Guys don't misinterpret what I'm saying. Vaccines have saved a lot of lives. I'm not saying any different, just pointing out some do more harm than good, like the mercury loaded flu shot they give to kids.

[Thorgrim]

Thanks for calling me a liar because you misread my post

My first post about mercury clearly states that flu shots have mercury in them

People die from antibiotics, they die from over the counter medicine, they die from lots of things

In this thread about a US-tested vaccine, you have offered NO PROOF that it is "contaminated" and you have been shown that there is no mercury in it whatsoever

Also, again, THERE IS NO CORRELATION BETWEEN AUTISM AND VACCINES and there is not one medical journal you can point to to make your case on this

If you want to talk about the flu shot, make another thread, it has nothing to do with the HPV vaccine

Again:
THIS SHOT = NO MERCURY, NO AUTISM AND NO CORRUPTION
It will save thousands if not millions of lives, and the risk is virtually non-existant

[7960]

Originally Posted by MKULTRA

Guys don't misinterpret what I'm saying. Vaccines have saved a lot of lives. I'm not saying any different, just pointing out some do more harm than good, like the mercury loaded flu shot they give to kids.

Not getting a vaccine because of the chance it'll do harm is like not wearing a seatbelt in the hope you'll be thrown clear of the accident.

[MKULTRA]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Thanks for calling me a liar because you misread my post

My first post about mercury clearly states that flu shots have mercury in them

People die from antibiotics, they die from over the counter medicine, they die from lots of things

In this thread about a US-tested vaccine, you have offered NO PROOF that it is "contaminated" and you have been shown that there is no mercury in it whatsoever

Also, again, THERE IS NO CORRELATION BETWEEN AUTISM AND VACCINES and there is not one medical journal you can point to to make your case on this

If you want to talk about the flu shot, make another thread, it has nothing to do with the HPV vaccine

Again:
THIS SHOT = NO MERCURY, NO AUTISM AND NO CORRUPTION
It will save thousands if not millions of lives, and the risk is virtually non-existant

What vaccine are you talking about? I have not said that any specific vaccine today is contaminated, simply that they have been in the past. And if I've misread your posts then my apologies but perhaps try taking your own advice and reading my posts correctly. Do you not remember a couple of years ago when this very thing happened? What shot specifically have I said is contaminated other than the Polio vaccines with SV40 in them and the flu shots a few years back? I'm merely pointing out this kind of thing is common and it is a result in just the way vaccines are made. It can easily happen.

I've seen lots of stuff, including medical journals and CDC sites, that say there is no link between autism and vaccines. However, as I've linked you to, there are numerous medical doctors and vets saying otherwise, just as otherwise has been said in congressional testimony. Just because something is in a medical journal that doesn't make it absolute truth. Read some of the stuff they were saying about AIDS or GRIDS in the 80s. Like I keep telling you, look at both sides of the argument from educated professionals and make up your own mind. People who do not get vaccines almost never get autism. That is just fact.

The flu shot has everything to do with this, as this is another required shot that people have to exempt out of for religious reasons. No one should have to pretend to be religious to get out of any of these shots. It should be your choice and my choice. And the flu shot is a great example of a vaccine that has far more harm than benefit and I'll bring it up because it's related to this topic. It, along with SV40, are key examples of why there should never be mandatory vaccinations. But a bigger issue is with the personal rights front. If you do not own your own body then you cannot possibly own anything else.

I think you can say that this shot has no mercury but you cannot assume it is not corrupted. You would not know. Probably no one would. Sometimes they don't know until decades later, as was the case with SV40. As I keep saying, I agree with you the benefits probably outweigh the risks but I'm also saying no one should be forced to take this. If you agree with that statement then we're on the same page. If you don't then you're in favor of trying to force people to put things in their body that they don't want there.

[Thorgrim]

few years back, try half a century

ill look at both sides, just like i listen to people talk about creation science versus evolution science

i really don't care if SV40 hurt people in the 1950s before modern US testing, we were also doing surgerical methods that are ridiculous by todays standards

It's 2007 we don't have problems of the 1960s in the US

your flu shot is all junk about mercury, theres no mercury in HPV vaccines

your websites are junk, they are doctors who aren't intelligent enough to get even one fucking thing through ANY medical journal, not every doctor is amazing, thats why we have malpractice suits

[MKULTRA]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

few years back, try half a century

ill look at both sides, just like i listen to people talk about creation science versus evolution science

i really don't care if SV40 hurt people in the 1950s before modern US testing, we were also doing surgerical methods that are ridiculous by todays standards

It's 2007 we don't have problems of the 1960s in the US

your flu shot is all junk about mercury, theres no mercury in HPV vaccines

your websites are junk, they are doctors who aren't intelligent enough to get even one fucking thing through ANY medical journal, not every doctor is amazing, thats why we have malpractice suits

No, the contaminated flu shots were a few years back. I'm not saying there is mercury in the HPV vaccines. I never said that. I was simply using thimerosal, like SV40, like the contaminated flu shots, to prove a point. That point is that there is a considerable amount of danger with taking a vaccination. And also, vaccine makers still are not held liable like they should be. The screening process still is far from perfect as well. I've linked you to several websites and several doctors, as well as others. If you want to dismiss all that by saying "it's junk" then that's your own acute cognitive dissonance speaking.

We both agree it appears the benefits outweigh the risks in regards to the HPV vaccine. But why can't you answer my questions? Are you for or against forced vaccinations?

[Thorgrim]

Ofcourse I am for it, all your points involve thimersal shots which HPV IS NOT or involves something from half a century ago...again your story "bout flu shots a few years ago" again it was not a US made and tested non-thimersal shot

Come to me with ANY evidence of a 21st century non-thimersal vaccine made and tested in the US is dangerous in any way to people with a regular immune sytem

You don't have any, so with no evidence, there is no argument

FORCE as many people as possible, just like we did with changing the water supply and forcing people...it helped people

We will save countless lives with no danger, if people want to get scared up by people like you dragging up every possible thing that has ever went wrong in medicine to scare people (which works by the way, good job, and is a major problem in the US as people avoid doctors and die) we will go around such a mess by just trying to force people

[MKULTRA]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Ofcourse I am for it, all your points involve thimersal shots which HPV IS NOT or involves something from half a century ago...again your story "bout flu shots a few years ago" again it was not a US made and tested non-thimersal shot

Come to me with ANY evidence of a 21st century non-thimersal vaccine made and tested in the US is dangerous in any way to people with a regular immune sytem

You don't have any, so with no evidence, there is no argument

FORCE as many people as possible, just like we did with changing the water supply and forcing people...it helped people

We will save countless lives with no danger, if people want to get scared up by people like you dragging up every possible thing that has ever went wrong in medicine to scare people (which works by the way, good job, and is a major problem in the US as people avoid doctors and die) we will go around such a mess by just trying to force people

What I think is hilarious is the criteria some of you come up with that someone else must present to prove you wrong. I have already given you recent problems and current problems with vaccines. Then you change your criteria for non-thimerosal vaccines? How about the Anthrax vaccine? You don't know anything, nothing whatsoever in regards to what you are speaking on. Before I even give you a reply you claim "you don't have any" like some kind of bumbling runningback who has scored a touchdown in the wrong end zone.

Then you, who have no knowledge of vaccinations whatsoever, want to force them on people? You compare that to water treatment plants lol? The dumbest part about your post is that you want me to prove it on someone 'with a healthy immune system' Who do you think they're telling to get all these vaccines? It's primarily the elderly and the very young.

You are not going to save lives or trouble by forcing vaccinations. You can not trust any government with that kind of power. Just the very fact a government would force everyone to take a vaccine is evidence they should not be trusted with that type of power over people and their body. This totally disregards man's most basic right and the one right you must have before you can have any others. Further, as soon as someone comes to my door trying to force me to take any vaccine then they're going to have a fight on their hands. And there are millions of other Americans that will do the same. Forced vaccinations will not save trouble nor will it save lives.

[Thorgrim]

a 7 year old web page about a non-certified vaccine...

and more ranting about how I know nothing because I don't agree with you

Where did you get your MD again?

You don't even factor people's immune system into the problem correctly, doctors always have to check to make sure the vaccine is matched properly with your immune system and you keep going on long rambling tangents on the evils of vaccines that no respected doctor, medical journal or medical community accepts

[MKULTRA]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

a 7 year old web page about a non-certified vaccine...

and more ranting about how I know nothing because I don't agree with you

Where did you get your MD again?

You don't even factor people's immune system into the problem correctly, doctors always have to check to make sure the vaccine is matched properly with your immune system and you keep going on long rambling tangents on the evils of vaccines that no respected doctor, medical journal or medical community accepts

LMAO it's a 7 year old webpage from the CDC about a vaccine that is still being used. Oh no! it's 7 years old Didn't you ask for a non-thimerosal based vaccine in the 21st century Thorgrim? What next, you gonna ask for a neon peacock with a top hat? Would that validate your beliefs?

I'm not factoring anyone's immune system into anything. I'm pointing out the fact that vaccines are strongly recommended and frequently given for the elderly and the very young, It's not brain surgery, just pointing out the obvious. Doctors generally do what they're taught. Out of probably the 20 or so I've asked about Thimerosal, only maybe 8 knew which vaccines had it. Likewise, I've never met a dentist that actually knew where the Fluoride they were using came from. Yes, doctors know much more about the human body and medicine in general than the average person but a lot of the times they're following orders too, just repeating things they've been told to do, like anyone else in that position would have to.

But many respected doctors point this stuff out all the time, which is why the wealthy generally go and pay for their own vaccines and why my own doctor informed me on this.

I have never claimed to have an MD, which is why I sourced you to MDs. But again, this is not something that even requires an MD to figure out. But where did you get your MD at? I find it hilarious you have been caught over and over in what can only be described as minefields you have set up for yourself. Yet, you continue to post on, denying to the bitter end and then advocate forcing your beliefs on everyone else when they're soundly grounded in water.

Nothing I have said here is based on fringe beliefs anyways. Thimerosal is now being removed from many vaccines as a precaution because good doctors and people spoke out about it and pointed out the obvious, that giving your kids many, many, times the safe amount of mercury can be bad for your kid. SV40 is admitted. The contaminated flu shots are admitted. The problems with the Anthrax vaccine are well documented. All of that is used to illustrate a collective case showing that vaccines in general can be dangerous. It does not show, nor am I claiming it shows, that the HPV vaccine specifically is dangerous. But it is showing that it could be and that vaccines in general can be dangerous.

I have agreed with you that it appears this HPV vaccine is safe and beneficial but that doesn't make it so. But regardless, I cannot agree with forcing people to take vaccines, something that blatantly destroys their most basic right. But you can't seem to understand or grasp that fact, in your grand effort to force your will on everyone else.

[Thorgrim]

it's not a regular vaccine, its for speciality cases and it licensed only because the alternative is most likely death

Anthrax Information

It's not "dangerous" its a calculated risk the patient is fully informed of...and its never recommended at hospitals for regular children/adults whatever

back to no argument

[lew]

I plan on not giving my child vaccines.


Why the government constantly feels the need to control EVERYTHING that happens makes baby jesus cry.

[7960]

Originally Posted by lew

I plan on not giving my child vaccines.

Why, exactly?

Why the government constantly feels the need to control EVERYTHING that happens makes baby jesus cry.

So you're not giving your kid vaccines because the govt is saying you need to? Boy, that'll show 'em!!

[lew]

Originally Posted by 7960

Why, exactly?

For a few different reasons.


One is, I'm not convinced that MMR doesn't increase the risk of autism. As a general guideline, I try to eat organic foods, I abstain from over the counter medicine, prescription drugs, antibiotics, etc. I feel certainly that there is a time and place for "regular" medicine, but as a general rule, I feel it is overprescribed way too often.

Another reason I'm against routine vaccines is because I'm against abortion, and since some vaccines are produced in aborted fetal tissues, I would want to abstain from that.

[Scrum]

Originally Posted by lew

I plan on not giving my child vaccines.


Why the government constantly feels the need to control EVERYTHING that happens makes baby jesus cry.

You shouldn't have children then.

You are endangering public health for a tinfoil hat theory.

[7960]

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

You shouldn't have children then.

You are endangering public health for a tinfoil hat theory.

I don't give a shit about public health, I care about his kid's (kids') health.

As I said above (paraphrased again here) he might as well not put his kids in a car seat just in case he crashes and there's a fire and they get trapped. It they're not in a car seat there's the possibility they could be thrown clear and avoid the fire.


................. sounds idiotic, doesn't it? It's the exact same as not getting a child vaccinated for fear of them having a reaction to the vaccination.