Texan Women Must have STD Vaccine

[lew]

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

You shouldn't have children then.

You are endangering public health for a tinfoil hat theory.

No, I'm not endangering public health.

[lew]

Originally Posted by 7960

I don't give a shit about public health, I care about his kid's (kids') health.

As I said above (paraphrased again here) he might as well not put his kids in a car seat just in case he crashes and there's a fire and they get trapped. It they're not in a car seat there's the possibility they could be thrown clear and avoid the fire.


................. sounds idiotic, doesn't it? It's the exact same as not getting a child vaccinated for fear of them having a reaction to the vaccination.

Actually, that's not a good comparison at all.

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by Scrumtralecent

You shouldn't have children then.

You are endangering public health for a tinfoil hat theory.

Agreed, child services should take away children like that to foster homes...better that than dead

Funny how anyone could risk their children over a baseless theory with NO EVIDENCE about autism and MMR, yet perfectly willing to risk their children's future over overwhelming scientific data pointing to man-made climate change

I wonder if such people give their kids antibiotics, or do they pray and use a lot of incense

[IminWonderland]

Originally Posted by 7960

I don't give a shit about public health, I care about his kid's (kids') health.

As I said above (paraphrased again here) he might as well not put his kids in a car seat just in case he crashes and there's a fire and they get trapped. It they're not in a car seat there's the possibility they could be thrown clear and avoid the fire.


................. sounds idiotic, doesn't it? It's the exact same as not getting a child vaccinated for fear of them having a reaction to the vaccination.

And some of the most devoted mothers I know, who even wipe off pacifiers still, and co-sleep, and breastfeed forever, they won't get vaccinations for the same reasons. They want to do everything they can to protect them, except from Hepatitis, Polio, RotaVirus, and now Cervical Cancer.

[lew]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Agreed, child services should take away children like that to foster homes...better that than dead

Funny how anyone could risk their children over a baseless theory with NO EVIDENCE about autism and MMR, yet perfectly willing to risk their children's future over overwhelming scientific data pointing to man-made climate change

I wonder if such people give their kids antibiotics, or do they pray and use a lot of incense

[7960]

Originally Posted by lew

Actually, that's not a good comparison at all.

Actually yes it is.

[lew]

Originally Posted by 7960

Actually yes it is.

Actually, no it's not.

[lew]

The difference between me and the government is I'm not trying to force my beliefs upon anyone else.

If you want to give vaccines to your child, that's fine. Just don't force me to do the same.

Likewise, according to your (bad) analogy, if you want to buckle your child in a seat belt, that's fine. Just don't force me to do the same.

[7960]

Originally Posted by lew

The difference between me and the government is I'm not trying to force my beliefs upon anyone else.

If you want to give vaccines to your child, that's fine. Just don't force me to do the same.

I'm not trying to force you to. I'm saying you're stupid for not doing it.

Likewise, according to your (bad) analogy,

My analogy is dead-nuts on.

Vaccinations save people from injury and death. There is an extremely slim chance that some people may possibly be harmed by taking one but the chance is incredibly miniscule.

Seatbelts save people from injury and death. There is an extremely slim chance that some people may possibly be harmed by using one but the chance is incredibly miniscule.

BTW, this seatbelt example comes from a friend of mine who says he'll never wear a seatbelt because he believes it's safer to be thrown from the car.

if you want to buckle your child in a seat belt, that's fine. Just don't force me to do the same.

I am against mandatory seatbelt laws for adults. I am for them for children. If someone is too stupid to protect his child then it should be done for him.

[lew]

Originally Posted by 7960

I'm not trying to force you to. I'm saying you're stupid for not doing it.

My analogy is dead-nuts on.

Vaccinations save people from injury and death. There is an extremely slim chance that some people may possibly be harmed by taking one but the chance is incredibly miniscule.

Seatbelts save people from injury and death. There is an extremely slim chance that some people may possibly be harmed by using one but the chance is incredibly miniscule.

BTW, this seatbelt example comes from a friend of mine who says he'll never wear a seatbelt because he believes it's safer to be thrown from the car.

I am against mandatory seatbelt laws for adults. I am for them for children. If someone is too stupid to protect his child then it should be done for him.

I've never claimed that vaccines are dangerous. I've never claimed that they're not dangerous. My opinion on the matter, based on what limited research I've done from both non-biased and biased sources from both sides, is that if I do administer vaccines to my children, I will wait for a few years at the least. I am against giving them when they're very young. But again, I am not for forcing my opinion on anyone else. Call me stupid all you want. It's my child and it's not your decision, nor the government's decision, to what will happen to my child.

[archangel003]

My girlfriend just had her first round of the vaccine. I was enthusiastic about her decision.

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by archangel003

My girlfriend just had her first round of the vaccine. I was enthusiastic about her decision.

Does she have autism yet?

[Kytro]

Originally Posted by lew

Call me stupid all you want. It's my child and it's not your decision, nor the government's decision, to what will happen to my child.

You don't have unlimited rights when it comes to the welfare of a child. You cannot starve them to death, and if you cannot neglect them.

It can be easily argued that putting them into danger (considering the number of accidents) is a neglecting their welfare.

[R-Type]

Originally Posted by lew

The difference between me and the government is I'm not trying to force my beliefs upon anyone else.

If you want to give vaccines to your child, that's fine. Just don't force me to do the same.

Likewise, according to your (bad) analogy, if you want to buckle your child in a seat belt, that's fine. Just don't force me to do the same.

But you are forcing those others to take added risk.. Do you and your child live in a vacuum, separate from the rest of society? No. When it comes to contagious disease, if you're not vaccinated, you put everyone else at risk...and your kid puts everyone elses' kids at risk every day at school. As far as mercury exposure goes, you probably get more from a single breath of contaminated air from your friendly, local deregulated industry than you do from all the vaccines you'll get in a lifetime.

Originally Posted by lew

Another reason I'm against routine vaccines is because I'm against abortion, and since some vaccines are produced in aborted fetal tissues, I would want to abstain from that.

This sounds exactly the same as a bleeding heart liberal who wants PETA's 'don't hurt animals' stance to take precedence over a mass famine. I can understand if you're against abortion, but that doesn't mean you should go to the nth degree. Maybe you should abstain from society entirely because you just might eat a hamburger that was made by a kid whose father's brother aborted a fetus.

[MKULTRA]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

it's not a regular vaccine, its for speciality cases and it licensed only because the alternative is most likely death

Anthrax Information

It's not "dangerous" its a calculated risk the patient is fully informed of...and its never recommended at hospitals for regular children/adults whatever

back to no argument

When did I say it was a regular vaccine? Quit arguing with the voices in your head and responding to my actual posts. I said it was a vaccine and it is regular for military personnel. And not everyone is fully informed of the risks, believe me. When my unit got it we got in line one morning and no one even told us what we were getting until we were about to get injected with that stuff. You're lying.

I'll say people like you scare me very much. You think you have the authority to force people to get what healthcare you think they should have, tell them what to do with their kids. And you call others a danger? You and people like you are 1000x more dangerous than the "tinfoil hat crowd" as you call them.

I have outlined, soundly outlined, a history of dangers with vaccinations. Not vaccinating your child is not the same thing as starving them to death. You are not directly harming them. Whether or not you take the vaccine, it is a calculated risk. Either way there are health benefits and risks. You keep claiming there is no risk with this specific vaccine but people said that for years and years with the flu shots and for decades with the polio vaccine. Obviously they were wrong.

My suggestion to people like you would be to focus on your own empty lives and quit trying to run everyone else's life for them.

[MKULTRA]

Originally Posted by lew

I've never claimed that vaccines are dangerous. I've never claimed that they're not dangerous. My opinion on the matter, based on what limited research I've done from both non-biased and biased sources from both sides, is that if I do administer vaccines to my children, I will wait for a few years at the least. I am against giving them when they're very young. But again, I am not for forcing my opinion on anyone else. Call me stupid all you want. It's my child and it's not your decision, nor the government's decision, to what will happen to my child.

Most of them, from what I've seen today, are relatively safe except for that flu shot. That shot also causes health problems and is almost always worthless.

[Kytro]

Originally Posted by MKULTRA

I'll say people like you scare me very much. You think you have the authority to force people to get what healthcare you think they should have, tell them what to do with their kids. And you call others a danger? You and people like you are 1000x more dangerous than the "tinfoil hat crowd" as you call them.

Actually it's the governmnet that has the authority. Some people just agree with them

[lew]

Originally Posted by Kytro

You don't have unlimited rights when it comes to the welfare of a child. You cannot starve them to death, and if you cannot neglect them.

It can be easily argued that putting them into danger (considering the number of accidents) is a neglecting their welfare.

Straw man.


Anything can be of harm to a child.

[7960]

Originally Posted by MKULTRA

I have outlined, soundly outlined, a history of dangers with vaccinations.

You have not soundly outlined anthing.

You keep claiming there is no risk with this specific vaccine but people said that for years and years with the flu shots and for decades with the polio vaccine. Obviously they were wrong.

What's the risk with the polio vaccine? Or should I ask "what's the risk that makes it not worth taking considering the alternative?"

[Kytro]

Originally Posted by lew