Texan Women Must have STD Vaccine

[MKULTRA]

Originally Posted by Kytro

Actually it's the governmnet that has the authority. Some people just agree with them

It doesn't matter to me who specifically has the authority. My issue is with people, anyone, who thinks they should violate another human beings rights. I'm sure there are lots of fascist people out there. There are a growing number of people calling for microchips and eugenics, despite the obvious horrors they will bring, but I will never agree or submit to those types. I am a human being. I will decide what is best for me and my family. And I think the government has already delved too far into our personal lives. The results have been disastrous. It is time for people to draw a line in the sand to authoritarians and their mechanisms.

With the whole harming a child thing, the government already goes too far with that. Yes, a lot of the times their involvement is needed but in the state's custody is where a child is most likely to be molested or injured. The state already has too much control over our lives and Amish people and their health is just fine without all of this. Prohibiting people from murdering their children or starving their children is one thing but it is quite a stretch to compare that to not vaccinating your child. Boundaries for government behavior are going to have to be firmly established and limited or our children will continue to suffer, as they already are, from an ever-expanding, ever harmful state. Strangers running our lives and telling us what is best for ourselves and our kids is not the solution to any of our problems. If anything, the bigger the state has gotten the worse the problems with these things have become.

[Kytro]

[quote=MKULTRA;80235]It doesn't matter to me who specifically has the authority. My issue is with people, anyone, who thinks they should violate another human beings rights. [/quotes]

People only have rights via law.

Originally Posted by MKULTRA

I will decide what is best for me and my family. And I think the government has already delved too far into our personal lives. The results have been disastrous. It is time for people to draw a line in the sand to authoritarians and their mechanisms.

You deciding is only works when you have requisite knowledge to make an informed decision

[MKULTRA]

I do have the knowledge. I am in fact, following my doctor's advice in regards to vaccinations. But that doesn't stop idiots from claiming they know what is best for me. The difference me and some paid psych-op like Thorg, is that I'm not claiming to know what is best for you and your kids. I want to let you do what is best for you and your kids and I want to be left to do what is best for me and mine.

This is the same old story people have always played "science is perfect; the shot is 100% safe" and they have no way of knowing these things. And the results can be disastrous, as they have been with the numerous other defective shots I listed in this thread. Yet, that does not stop people from going out there are pushing for mandatory vaccines, when it obviously violates the most essential right we have and gives the government the type of authority that no state should ever be trusted with.

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by MKULTRA

When did I say it was a regular vaccine? Quit arguing with the voices in your head and responding to my actual posts. I said it was a vaccine and it is regular for military personnel. And not everyone is fully informed of the risks, believe me. When my unit got it we got in line one morning and no one even told us what we were getting until we were about to get injected with that stuff. You're lying.

I'll say people like you scare me very much. You think you have the authority to force people to get what healthcare you think they should have, tell them what to do with their kids. And you call others a danger? You and people like you are 1000x more dangerous than the "tinfoil hat crowd" as you call them.

I have outlined, soundly outlined, a history of dangers with vaccinations. Not vaccinating your child is not the same thing as starving them to death. You are not directly harming them. Whether or not you take the vaccine, it is a calculated risk. Either way there are health benefits and risks. You keep claiming there is no risk with this specific vaccine but people said that for years and years with the flu shots and for decades with the polio vaccine. Obviously they were wrong.

My suggestion to people like you would be to focus on your own empty lives and quit trying to run everyone else's life for them.

Your in the military and you're talking about people not explaining risks to you?

Read you enlistment papers

[Thorgrim]

There are no defective shots, antharax was an emergency vaccine created to prevent death...they planned that vaccine out perfectly, they knew there would be error

This is not MMR, something they have made about flawless over time

"relatively safe" whoever told you that is a horrible doctor/person

[MKULTRA]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Your in the military and you're talking about people not explaining risks to you?

Read you enlistment papers

When did I say I was in the military currently? I've read them thanks. You're the one pretending that everyone who takes this vaccine is informed. They are not. Many times the people administering them are not. You keep building these arguments upon all these false premises you keep creating.

But as I keep saying, even if the world was perfect and everyone was informed, that doesn't mean every vaccine would be perfect for everyone, nor does it mean that government would not abuse that authority, and nor does it excuse violating everyone's rights by forcing them to take vaccinations.

[MKULTRA]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

There are no defective shots, antharax was an emergency vaccine created to prevent death...they planned that vaccine out perfectly, they knew there would be error

This is not MMR, something they have made about flawless over time

"relatively safe" whoever told you that is a horrible doctor/person

the Anthrax vaccine damaged a lot of people, and worse. This is well documented and there is a reason many people in the military have refused to take it, even been discharged for it. They did not plan the vaccine out perfectly. It is not a perfect vaccine and it was not planned perfectly because it was done by humans, that are not perfect. Nothing is flawless and the assumption this new vaccine is flawless is as idiotic as it is shortsighted.

[Thorgrim]

Originally Posted by MKULTRA

the Anthrax vaccine damaged a lot of people, and worse. This is well documented and there is a reason many people in the military have refused to take it, even been discharged for it. They did not plan the vaccine out perfectly. It is not a perfect vaccine and it was not planned perfectly because it was done by humans, that are not perfect. Nothing is flawless and the assumption this new vaccine is flawless is as idiotic as it is shortsighted.

it saves lives, the alternative to sharp antharax exposure is death...that was the only goal

the goal was not to start vaccinating the entire US population like MMR

[Kytro]

Originally Posted by MKULTRA

I do have the knowledge. I am in fact, following my doctor's advice in regards to vaccinations. But that doesn't stop idiots from claiming they know what is best for me. The difference me and some paid psych-op like Thorg, is that I'm not claiming to know what is best for you and your kids. I want to let you do what is best for you and your kids and I want to be left to do what is best for me and mine.

I was not making claims about your ability in this particular case - I was pointing out that the general population will often not have the knowledge to make an informed decision.

Originally Posted by MKULTRA

This is the same old story people have always played "science is perfect; the shot is 100% safe" and they have no way of knowing these things. And the results can be disastrous, as they have been with the numerous other defective shots I listed in this thread. Yet, that does not stop people from going out there are pushing for mandatory vaccines, when it obviously violates the most essential right we have and gives the government the type of authority that no state should ever be trusted with.

It would be foolish to claim anything is "100%" safe. It is about it being a less of risk than not having vaccinations. What I was pointing out that people may make decisions on vaccines based on things they may have heard without really understanding. If the disease is likely to spread and put other people at risk also, then I can see a need for enforcing it

[Thorgrim]

It is not mandatory that workers coming into the United States on temporary work assignments prove they are vaccinated against diseases

So lew, you are risking your children's life when every respected study out today (and in fact all recent studies) show no correlation whatsoever between autism and vaccines, there is no mercury, there is virtually no chance of any serious harm

I can't believe anyone would follow that line of thinking

[nbiggershaft]

Originally Posted by lew

No, I'm not endangering public health.

They don't make you get hepatitus and menengitus shots just for your own good. (I know you can opt out of those too)

[lew]

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

It is not mandatory that workers coming into the United States on temporary work assignments prove they are vaccinated against diseases

So lew, you are risking your children's life when every respected study out today (and in fact all recent studies) show no correlation whatsoever between autism and vaccines, there is no mercury, there is virtually no chance of any serious harm

I can't believe anyone would follow that line of thinking

ok

[Diesel66]

Originally Posted by MKULTRA

Oh I love the site. All Amish have these great genes according to autismblogspot

well since they only marry each other. YES.

Amish are not the only group that don't come down with Autism. Seriously, look at all sides of this and make a decision.

And what ? Diseases arent perfectly spread out among the world. Some areas will get more, some less.


Chaos theory, look it up

[Kytro]

A quick glance at Autism (incidence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) shows that there is simply no convincing evidence that links Autism to vaccines

[7960]

Originally Posted by Kytro

A quick glance at Autism (incidence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) shows that there is simply no convincing evidence that links Autism to vaccines

I already linked the convincing evidence

Especially convincing were a Danish study showing no difference in the rate of autism between children who got thimerosal-containing vaccines and those who did not and a British study showing no relationship between the introduction of MMR and autism rates, or between the timing of a vaccination and the onset of autism symptoms.

Fourteen studies, including nine controlled ones, found no association between the MMR vaccine and autism. Three that found a connection are poorly designed or offer very indirect evidence that could be explained in other ways, the authors said.

Experts Find No Vaccine-Autism Link (washingtonpost.com)

They looked at autism rates for kids who got vaccines and kids who didn't and there was no difference. But he's ignoring that because it disagrees with the conclusion he's already drawn

[Kytro]

Originally Posted by 7960

I already linked the convincing evidence

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They looked at autism rates for kids who got vaccines and kids who didn't and there was no difference. But he's ignoring that because it disagrees with the conclusion he's already drawn

Can't help to add more info

[7960]

Originally Posted by Kytro

Can't help to add more info

"the other side" is being intentionally ignorant so it probably won't help