Why you shouldn't believe Lebanese casualty figures:

archangel003 · 08-04-2006, 06:51 PM

http://yaakov.newsvine.com/_news/200...stions-on-qana

The Time Gap: The IDF photos and records indicate that the building was hit (either directly or the launchers next to the building) between 12 and 1am. The building did not fall until 8am (seed) - seven to eight hours after the bombs hit. There is no explanation for this gap in time. If the building collapsed as a result of the bombs, why were there dozens of children in the building 8 hours later? And if the building did not collapse as a result of the bombs, why did it collapse?

The Banner: within a few hours of the building collapse, there was a large rally in Beirut against Israel and the US. The rally featured a 30+ foot long poster featuring a picture of Condi and the words ""The massacre of children in Qana 2, is the gift of Rice. The clever bombs..Stupid". According to one comment that I have seen on Israel Matzav (by someone claiming to be a professional printer), making such a poster would be an all-day affair. In other words, for such a large, high-quality poster to be ready and in place within hours of the Qana incident, production would have had to start before the building fell down (hmmmm).

Mr. Green Helmet: Check out these posts by EU Referendum (caution: graphic pictures). Apparently the same two guys (one in a green helmet, one in a white tee shirt) manage to show up in just about every picture, holding mangled children in different poses, with different anguished looks on their faces. Not only that, but at least one of them was also on the scene in Qana 1996. Although it is possible that this one guy was Mr. Hero Rescue Worker, saving the day and recovering all of the bodies, one might also posit that he is on Hizballah's PR team, and was conveniently on the scene to give the waiting reporters looks of anguish to capture on film and publicize throughout the world

Children in the building: According to this Lebanese blog (English Google translation), Hizballah took a bunch of handicapped children, put them in the bomb shelter of this building, and then placed a missile launcher on top of the building for Israel to target. Dead children = good PR for Hizballah and more support for their cause from the Lebanese people.(And to satisfy the most ardent conspiracy theorists out there, check out this post which brings up the possibility that dead bodies from Tyre were relocated to Qana in order to perform double-duty as the victims of Israeli aggression. Also see this post from Confederate Yankee - Caution: Graphic Photos - which has more speculation on the same subject)

More Arab shenanigans.

archangel003 · 08-04-2006, 07:22 PM

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6SpeedTA95 · 08-05-2006, 09:35 PM

Good thread with some good info, however, I do question your source

JaJae · 08-05-2006, 09:40 PM

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

Good thread with some good info, however, I do question your source

I saw a similar story on the news the other day about the guy with the helmet.

They're using him for PR for over a decade. Everytime a kid dies it seems he's there holding the kid up for the cameras.

And I wouldn't doubt they're putting missile launchers on top of places with children. The more dead children, the better...

ALSO... news reporters have started to question no males on the scenes in these towns hit. The males that are killed... are quickly covered with sheets or removed. Women and children stay as they lay for the cameras. No weapons are ever found in the homes of the people killed. They're starting to claim that they're removing the combatant males from the scene or covering up the elderly males and leaving the women and children out in the open for the news reporters. They also clean up the scene by removing all weapons (these homes are known for having weapons, until they get bombed).

6SpeedTA95 · 08-05-2006, 09:42 PM

Originally Posted by JaJae

I saw a similar story on the news the other day about the guy with the helmet.

They're using him for PR for over a decade. Everytime a kid dies it seems he's there holding the kid up for the cameras.

And I wouldn't doubt they're putting missile launchers on top of places with children. The more dead children, the better...

ALSO... news reporters have started to question no males on the scenes in these towns hit. The males that are killed... are quickly covered with sheets or removed. Women and children stay as they lay for the cameras. No weapons are ever found in the homes of the people killed. They're starting to claim that they're removing the combatant males from the scene or covering up the elderly males and leaving the women and children out in the open for the news reporters. They also clean up the scene by removing all weapons (these homes are known for having weapons, until they get bombed).

I definately believe that based on the history of reporting in the region to drum up sympathy for terrorist sympahtizers.

Thorgrim · 08-05-2006, 10:42 PM

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

I definately believe that based on the history of reporting in the region to drum up sympathy for terrorist sympahtizers.

Kind of like the reporting we did in Vietnam that if followed mathematically meant we killed more than 100% of all the males in Vietnam

kinggovernor · 08-06-2006, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Kind of like the reporting we did in Vietnam that if followed mathematically meant we killed more than 100% of all the males in Vietnam

and that has anything to do with Middle East because?

Thorgrim · 08-06-2006, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

and that has anything to do with Middle East because?

It's a double standard...basically you should question all military reporting, not just arab paramilitary forces

kinggovernor · 08-06-2006, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

It's a double standard...basically you should question all military reporting, not just arab paramilitary forces

so because some military reporting throughout history has been incorrect we should or should not believe all of it?

Kytro · 08-06-2006, 08:11 PM

As they always say. The first casualty of war is the truth.

The interesting question is what is each side's civillian to military kill ratio

Thorgrim · 08-06-2006, 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

so because some military reporting throughout history has been incorrect we should or should not believe all of it?

so because some arab reporting throughout history has been incorrect we should or should not believe all of it?

kinggovernor · 08-06-2006, 09:12 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

so because some arab reporting throughout history has been incorrect we should or should not believe all of it?

we should take each story at face value, and when proven wrong re-think it

Mohamed · 08-06-2006, 09:32 PM

no one saw this coming?

Hezbollah knows they cant win this war conventionally, so they are waging a war of propaganda hoping to rally the world against Israel, unfortunately for them the US has Egypt and Saudia Arabia on lockdown, and everyone else is all talk

Kytro · 08-06-2006, 09:41 PM

Originally Posted by Mohamed

no one saw this coming?

Hezbollah knows they cant win this war conventionally, so they are waging a war of propaganda hoping to rally the world against Israel, unfortunately for them the US has Egypt and Saudia Arabia on lockdown, and everyone else is all talk

When facing an enemy much more powefull than yourself, conventional warfare is suicide.

motivez · 08-07-2006, 02:02 AM

Originally Posted by Kytro

When facing an enemy much more powefull than yourself, conventional warfare is suicide.

There's no reason they should use conventional warfare. Propaganda is the norm in any war though... if you aren't using it and your enemy is, that's one more weapon that they have that you don't.