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Donkey® · 02-06-2007, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95

The homeless are handled by national programs? I did a lot of charity work for the homeless shelters in OKC and they were all handled by personal donations as well as local municipal donations, NOT federal.

There are all sorts of sponsors and they are state, city, country and federal.

7960 · 02-06-2007, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by Donkey®

Bullshit. You do bitch about it.

Only when you and people like you say I don't give enough.

The mere fact your "charity" has a cap is pathetic.

so I'm not supposed to have savings? I'm not supposed to make sure my family is taken care of? And you give everything you make? You don't save any money? You don't have any play money?

Do you really expect us to believe EVERYONE'S charity shouldn't have a cap? And you want to think less of EVERYONE because they don't give 100% of what they earn to charity? WTF, even priests have cars

Why do you even pretend you do it to "help" people? Are you one of the ones that do it to make yourself look good in front of your hibrow friends or are you one of the ones that do it because God will smote you?

It's smite, but ignoring your lack of verb tense knowledge I don't give a shit what god or you or my friends think. They have no idea what I give. In fact you know more about my charity than my friends do and the only reason you know is because you accused me of not be charitable. My friends give what they think is right. I give what I think is right. And from what you said earlier you only give what you think is right......but then you get to decide whether I gave enough. How

of you.

Thorgrim · 02-06-2007, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by hsmith

I am waiting for someone to post up the graphs of how the "blue collar" Americans are the biggest contributers in the entire country, not the upper class liberals from the big cities

Wow, backwards rednecks give a lot of their church because they believe they're buying their way into heaven

real charity right there

hsmith · 02-06-2007, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

Wow, backwards rednecks give a lot of their church because they believe they're buying their way into heaven

real charity right there

That may or may not be their reasoning, but the FACT remains they donate the most and the help the most people through their giving, unlike their liberal counterparts which live in the cities.

Why don't these liberals who live in richer cities donate more money?

Donkey® · 02-06-2007, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by 7960

Only when you and people like you say I don't give enough.

It's just a reality of living in this country dude. It isn't an "accusation" of you or your character. Maybe it hits close enough to home to make you think? I dunno. The bottom line is we're supposed to be the greatest country on the planet and the deeds and words of the people don't reflect it. I'll go back to the original point: The amount of money we WASTE on LUXURY GARBAGE dwarfs what we give to help our fellow man. You can hate me for seeing the truth but that's your choice.

Originally Posted by 7960

so I'm not supposed to have savings? I'm not supposed to make sure my family is taken care of? And you give everything you make? You don't save any money? You don't have any play money?

Again, bringing up me isn't going to help you as I have already admitted I am part of the problem. I have no problem with you having savings or providing for your family...but do you think twice about buying your kid the $4000 computer? No. Do you think twice about buying yourself the motorcycle or the car to tinker with? No. Once again...we waste more than we give and then cry "OMG I GIVE SOOOOO MUCH!!!!!" Look at our country...NOBODY can give too much to fix this mess.

Originally Posted by 7960

Do you really expect us to believe EVERYONE'S charity shouldn't have a cap? And you want to think less of EVERYONE because they don't give 100% of what they earn to charity? WTF, even priests have cars

How exactly is it charity if there's a spending limit? And yes...I think less of EVERYONE in this country - including myself - for taking taking taking from this country and refusing to give a comparable amount back. THAT's what it's about. If one doesn't give as much as they take they are a typical greedy American. This is supposed to be The United States of America not the Dictatorship of Me.

Originally Posted by 7960

It's smite, but ignoring your lack of verb tense knowledge I don't give a shit what god or you or my friends think. They have no idea what I give. In fact you know more about my charity than my friends do and the only reason you know is because you accused me of not be charitable. My friends give what they think is right. I give what I think is right. And from what you said earlier you only give what you think is right......but then you get to decide whether I gave enough. How of you.

Oh boy...you sure got me there. Please don't smote me. (BTW, if you were "ignoring my lack of verb tense and knowledge" you wouldn't have typed it dipshit). Anyways, I don't give a shit what you give. It makes no difference in the basics of the argument. Americans - including yourself (no matter how hard you try to seek martyrdom) WASTE WAY MORE MONEY ON BULLSHIT THAN GIVING. Americans - including yourself (no matter how hard you try to place yourself on that cross) TAKE MORE OUT OF THIS COUNTRY THAN THEY GIVE BACK.

hsmith · 02-06-2007, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by Donkey®

Bullshit. You do bitch about it.

The mere fact your "charity" has a cap is pathetic. Why do you even pretend you do it to "help" people? Are you one of the ones that do it to make yourself look good in front of your hibrow friends or are you one of the ones that do it because God will smote you?

He has every fucking right to bitch about it because IT IS HIS MONEY BEING TAKEN FROM HIM.

He works 40% of the year for FREE, he is 1/2 a slave! I don't see how he doesn't have the right to bitch about it.

Donkey® · 02-06-2007, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by hsmith

He has every fucking right to bitch about it because IT IS HIS MONEY BEING TAKEN FROM HIM.

He works 40% of the year for FREE, he is 1/2 a slave! I don't see how he doesn't have the right to bitch about it.

HIS money. MONEY MONEY MONEY. It's all about what you have right? Fuck the country? As long as he can afford steak and lobster and all the excess he WANTS we'll be happy huh?

Diamond Cross · 02-06-2007, 02:38 PM

So who are you to determine how much he has to pay? Why does he have to give away everything he makes? Why can't he save some for himself and his family.

Yes, that is exactly what you're saying that he absolutely has to give away all he makes and keep just enough for him and his family to live on.

That makes no sense to me. Give it just to take it away? Why give it at all then if it's jsut to be taken away? Isn't that saying he didn't earn it and he might as well not work if all his money is taken away to be given to another? Where is the incentive to work under those circumstances? Why should anybody work if all the money is just going to be taken away?

In response to the original post, I am not oppsoed to the government helping those people.

Donkey® · 02-06-2007, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by Diamond Cross

So who are you to determine how much he has to pay? Why does he have to give away everything he makes? Why can't he save some for himself and his family.

Yes, that is exactly what you're saying that he absolutely has to give away all he makes and keep just enough for him and his family to live on.

That makes no sense to me. Give it just to take it away? Why give it at all then if it's jsut to be taken away? Isn't that saying he didn't earn it and he might as well not work if all his money is taken away to be given to another? Where is the incentive to work under those circumstances? Why should anybody work if all the money is just going to be taken away?

In response to the original post, I am not oppsoed to the government helping those people.

I am not determining anything. I made a comment on the attitudes of the people in this country and a few simple and basic facts. We waste more than we give to charity. WE. AMERICANS. Some people take it to heart and pretend they are not part of that group...which isn't true.

DosEquis · 02-06-2007, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by hsmith

That may or may not be their reasoning, but the FACT remains they donate the most and the help the most people through their giving, unlike their liberal counterparts which live in the cities.

Why don't these liberals who live in richer cities donate more money?

I dont know... alot of the "donations" are more of a untold obligation for some of these neck conservatives in this bible belt. These "nonprofit" churches that want 2-5-10% off the top of your paychecks could have something to do with that stat regarding donations. There are a few around here if you do not donate %'s it is a lot harder to even become a member. Obviously the more you donate to the church and help make the payment on the multi-million dollar building, the closer you are to jesus.

hsmith · 02-06-2007, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by Donkey®

HIS money. MONEY MONEY MONEY. It's all about what you have right? Fuck the country? As long as he can afford steak and lobster and all the excess he WANTS we'll be happy huh?

yet, the ones that don't live in luxury are the ones that donate the most

you don't quite grasp this at all. the people who aren't making the most money and living in luxury are the ones helping others out the most.

hsmith · 02-06-2007, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by DosEquis

I dont know... alot of the "donations" are more of a untold obligation for some of these neck conservatives in this bible belt. These "nonprofit" churches that want 2-5-10% off the top of your paychecks could have something to do with that stat regarding donations. There are a few around here if you do not donate %'s it is a lot harder to even become a member. Obviously the more you donate to the church and help make the payment on the multi-million dollar building, the closer you are to jesus.

so there are a few churches out there that work like that they all must. oh, ok.

the vast majority put money back into the economy and help individuals. Who were the ones to jump on the scene first after Katrina? Not that massive federal government, it was CHURCHES. Gasp the horror!

Donkey® · 02-06-2007, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by hsmith

yet, the ones that don't live in luxury are the ones that donate the most

you don't quite grasp this at all. the people who aren't making the most money and living in luxury are the ones helping others out the most.

Anyone can twist the numbers to make an attempt at a point. Yes, those people (in number) may be the ones that give the most but it's only because there are more of them to begin with. (And none of that hides the fact that the group you refer to lives in gross excess and waste as well)

7960 · 02-06-2007, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by Donkey®

It's just a reality of living in this country dude. It isn't an "accusation" of you or your character. Maybe it hits close enough to home to make you think? I dunno. The bottom line is we're supposed to be the greatest country on the planet and the deeds and words of the people don't reflect it. I'll go back to the original point: The amount of money we WASTE on LUXURY GARBAGE dwarfs what we give to help our fellow man. You can hate me for seeing the truth but that's your choice.

The reality of why this is such a great country is BECAUSE the govt doesn't steal from us to buy shit for other people (well, not as much as other countries, anyway).

...but do you think twice about buying your kid the $4000 computer? No.

My kids have an account on my home PC. It cost $299 after rebates *and* my wife also uses it to work from home so it's already paid for itself. So yes I do think twice about buying them a PC... which is why I haven't.

Do you think twice about buying yourself the motorcycle

After saving up my money for it for years? Nope.

or the car to tinker with? No.

So I'm not supposed to have a car? Is that part of "charity"?? Me not having a car to get my kids to/from school? It's not even an overly nice car. I could have afforded a much more expensive car but didn't buy it. I didn't not buy the more expensive car so I could give the extra money to charity, but guess where some of it went.... yep, charity.

Once again...we waste more than we give and then cry "OMG I GIVE SOOOOO MUCH!!!!!" Look at our country...NOBODY can give too much to fix this mess.

"Fix this mess"........ anyone who wants something can work to get it. Exactly what mess are you talking about?

How exactly is it charity if there's a spending limit? And yes...I think less of EVERYONE in this country - including myself - for taking taking taking from this country and refusing to give a comparable amount back. THAT's what it's about. If one doesn't give as much as they take they are a typical greedy American. This is supposed to be The United States of America not the Dictatorship of Me.

If you think the govt should be taking more money to redistribute to other people then you have no idea what the united states of america stands for.

Oh boy...you sure got me there. Please don't smote me. (BTW, if you were "ignoring my lack of verb tense and knowledge" you wouldn't have typed it dipshit).

I was ignoring it...I could have gone much farther

Anyways, I don't give a shit what you give. It makes no difference in the basics of the argument. Americans - including yourself (no matter how hard you try to seek martyrdom) WASTE WAY MORE MONEY ON BULLSHIT THAN GIVING. Americans - including yourself (no matter how hard you try to place yourself on that cross) TAKE MORE OUT OF THIS COUNTRY THAN THEY GIVE BACK.

When it's all done, every year I give about 10% of my check to charity. Checking my budget I do not spend more than that on "bullshit." So, let's say I make $200k per year. If I'm giving $20k to charity and spending $10k on "bullshit" am I a good person or a bad person? Exactly what percentage do I need to give before I'm "good"? Put a number on what I have to donate for you to change and say I'm giving back more than I put in. How much?

hsmith · 02-06-2007, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by Donkey®

Anyone can twist the numbers to make an attempt at a point. Yes, those people (in number) may be the ones that give the most but it's only because there are more of them to begin with. (And none of that hides the fact that the group you refer to lives in gross excess and waste as well)

that is the basis behind your "argument"

the fact of the matter is they are the ones that donate the most and assist the others the most. the ones you describe as "wasting money" on "lavish lifestyles" are the donating the least.

Diamond Cross · 02-06-2007, 02:55 PM

So practice doesn't matter? Only intent? It wouldn't bother you if if someone was willing to live that way or not as long as they said they were?

7960 · 02-06-2007, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by Diamond Cross

So practice doesn't matter? Only intent? It wouldn't bother you if if someone was willing to live that way or not as long as they said they were?

who are you talking to?
live what way?

Donkey® · 02-06-2007, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by 7960

The reality of why this is such a great country is BECAUSE the govt doesn't steal from us to buy shit for other people (well, not as much as other countries, anyway).

There's that word again "steal." What's stealing? Wait...exactly WHO is stealing? How about we look at you? You make a gross amount of money for doing a job where you sit behind a desk all day when compared to someone out there performing manual labor for 18 hours a day, 7 days a week. Seems like you're the one that's stealing...then complaining when your government has the compassion to help your fellow countryman in need. Go figure. Guess it's a matter of perspective.

Originally Posted by 7960

My kids have an account on my home PC. It cost $299 after rebates *and* my wife also uses it to work from home so it's already paid for itself. So yes I do think twice about buying them a PC... which is why I haven't. After saving up my money for it for years? Nope. So I'm not supposed to have a car? Is that part of &