How Desperate are Democrats for Votes

RMNIXON · 02-05-2007, 07:44 PM

Since California leads the Nation I thought I would alert you to the latest form of Insanity:

Don't force high school seniors to register

Graduating from high school isn't tough enough these days in the eyes of Assemblyman Joe Coto, D-San Jose. He wants to require seniors to register to vote before they can get their diplomas.

Never mind that voting is a legal right, not a law, in the United States. Never mind that a large portion of students don't turn 18 by graduation day in June, the year's halfway point. Never mind that many California students aren't American citizens.

This law would be applied selectively only to seniors who meet the requirements. And it would punish kids who don't register or submit the proper opt-out letter. Coto and the Assembly ought to work on fixing public schools rather than adding to their headaches.

True, voter turnout, especially in local elections, is dismal. And it's important for young adults to participate in the selection of their representatives. But it's equally important for young adults to make their own choices with the guidance of their parents and teachers, not a legislator seeking to boost the number of Democrats on the rolls in California.
People should have the right to opt out of voting for personal, ethical, religious or other reasons. It's a personal decision, and it should stay that way.

Despite all of this, the measure is supported by Assembly Speaker Fabian Nunez, D-Los Angeles, clearly making this a grab by Democrats to increase the ranks of young voters, who are presumed to be more liberal.

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They should be ashamed of themselves. Everybody knows why we have record low Voter turnout even among Registered Voters. It is because of the awful gerrymandering in this State. A local race for State or Federal Congress means nothing anymore one either party has made their pick. The Governor had no real opponent in 2006. Who cared?

JSmythe · 02-05-2007, 08:02 PM

gerrymandering ftl

edit: 100th post wee.

R-Type · 02-05-2007, 08:02 PM

yeah this seems just a bit overboard...and impractical. Also, it's not as though republicans don't also have their methods for reaching out to young voters.

Thorgrim · 02-05-2007, 10:50 PM

great idea

go dems

Pro Street · 02-05-2007, 11:09 PM

forcing people to vote will never pass.

stupid idea.

RMNIXON · 02-05-2007, 11:19 PM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

great idea go dems

Forcing people to register to Vote? Who will they force next? Illegals who want a green card? The elderly before they can go on Social Security or Medicare? Actually anybody who has a hand out for goverment services would work well for them.

"No goodies from Taxation without voting for Our Representation."

RMNIXON · 02-05-2007, 11:22 PM

Originally Posted by R-Type

yeah this seems just a bit overboard...and impractical. Also, it's not as though republicans don't also have their methods for reaching out to young voters.

They go on John Stewart and Cobert Repoot and pretend they don't mind all the jokes at their expense. That and face hostile interviews on MTV. Isn't that enough?

Thorgrim · 02-06-2007, 12:42 AM

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

Forcing people to register to Vote? Who will they force next? Illegals who want a green card? The elderly before they can go on Social Security or Medicare? Actually anybody who has a hand out for goverment services would work well for them.

I wish

R-Type · 02-06-2007, 12:57 AM

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

They go on John Stewart and Cobert Repoot and pretend they don't mind all the jokes at their expense. That and face hostile interviews on MTV. Isn't that enough?

Actually, I was thinking about the time Ann Coulter showed up at UCONN at the behest of the CT Young Republicans (I think). Of course, in this case it's not as though she didn't deserve the treatment she got.

7960 · 02-06-2007, 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by Pro Street

forcing people to vote will never pass.

stupid idea.

even if they force the kids to register (which I think is wrong, and stupid) they can't force them to vote....... unless they require the polling station to give the kid a slip that proves he voted, and then they have to hand that in to the school to prove they did!!

Oh, wait, isn't there a law against that?

Originally Posted by R-Type

Actually, I was thinking about the time Ann Coulter showed up at UCONN at the behest of the CT Young Republicans (I think). Of course, in this case it's not as though she didn't deserve the treatment she got.

The audience members weren't forced to attend and weren't required to listen to her talk as a requirement for graduation. Dems requiring voter registration in order to graduate is NOTHING like having a speaker come to your school.

kinggovernor · 02-06-2007, 02:41 PM

stupid idea if people don't want to register, they should have that choice

R-Type · 02-07-2007, 03:21 AM

Originally Posted by 7960

The audience members weren't forced to attend and weren't required to listen to her talk as a requirement for graduation. Dems requiring voter registration in order to graduate is NOTHING like having a speaker come to your school.

note that my response was to his side comment...and 2, she wasn't 'required' to show up at the school either.

kinggovernor · 02-07-2007, 08:14 AM

Originally Posted by Thorgrim

I wish

nothing like a tyrannical mob to steal property rights

7960 · 02-07-2007, 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by R-Type

note that my response was to his side comment...

ok

and 2, she wasn't 'required' to show up at the school either.

you missed the point, it's not about her, it's about he audience.

Wanting to require kids to register to vote in order to graduate is nowhere near the same as having ann coulter come speak on campus, unless you want to require kids to go listen at a prerequisite to graduation. The audience was voluntary, the dem plan to have kids register to vote is not. Saying ann coulter didn't have to show up at the school is completely tangent to the conversation.

R-Type · 02-07-2007, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by 7960

ok
you missed the point, it's not about her, it's about he audience.

Wanting to require kids to register to vote in order to graduate is nowhere near the same as having ann coulter come speak on campus, unless you want to require kids to go listen at a prerequisite to graduation. The audience was voluntary, the dem plan to have kids register to vote is not. Saying ann coulter didn't have to show up at the school is completely tangent to the conversation.

so was his side comment. relax, I agree. Requiring registration is the wrong way to entice people to vote..especially the young.

Thorgrim · 02-07-2007, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

nothing like a tyrannical mob to steal property rights

tyrannical mob...property rights...care to elaborate?

RMNIXON · 02-07-2007, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by R-Type

note that my response was to his side comment...and 2, she wasn't 'required' to show up at the school either.

So free speech and open expression at a University is for whoever can stir up the biggest mob to demand the speakers they like and intimidate the ones they don't into not showing up?

What a great place to learn!

RMNIXON · 02-07-2007, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

stupid idea if people don't want to register, they should have that choice

Dosen't this sound like something the Nazi's would cook up? Force students to register in order to get their education validated by the State, then use their "Youth" organizations to intimidate them into registering for the right party?

R-Type · 02-07-2007, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

So free speech and open expression at a University is for whoever can stir up the biggest mob to demand the speakers they like and intimidate the ones they don't into not showing up?

What a great place to learn!

Actually, it IS a good school but my grades weren't good enough for me to go there. Anyway, the students are paying tuition right? By extension, they were PAYING for her presence there. Aren't they free to voice their dissatisfaction just as much as she is allowed to voice her views? She should feel honored she was INVITED to speak. She spoke her mind and she got dissed for it. Such as life. It's the sacrifice we make for having free expression: you can be dissed for having an unpopular opinion. You know how abrasive she is, right? That's not how you approach people you know you're going to have disagreements with if your intent is to convince them of your argument.

Now would hilary clinton have been dissed like that? probably not, though I'm sure many of the more intelligent students would have private misgivings. Clinton's personality also has far more tact than coulter's does. Is the school population biased left? probably. Many college campuses are. Coulter should've known that and used more tact to get her points across. Of course, if her intent was to deliberately cause a scene in such a way to make some other point about college campus stereotypes, then I guess she succeeded.

Anyway this is offtopic don't you think? I really didn't intend a side track with my response to you above.

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

Dosen't this sound like something the Nazi's would cook up? Force students to register in order to get their education validated by the State, then use their "Youth" organizations to intimidate them into registering for the right party?

hey, I thought we had a moratorium on comparing either party to hitler/the nazis. ...anyway, of course the right wing never tries to manipulate the school system to promote certain religions, values, and other behaviors above the realities of life, right? ALL political groups have their slimy ways of manipulating the young. It's how they propagate themselves.
Hey, the left has 'hitlery' as some call her, and the right has ann coulter.. i'm not sure which one is most like hitler. Either one could easily be his daughter.

kinggovernor · 02-07-2007, 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by RMNIXON

Dosen't this sound like something the Nazi's would cook up? Force students to register in order to get their education validated by the State, then use their "Youth" organizations to intimidate them into registering for the right party?

I would agree