Iran: We supplied Zelzal-2 to Hizbullah

[motivez]

You're talking about a traditional war vs what would likely happen if they took on Iran as well. Look at how we're doing in Iraq with unconventional warfare from the insurgents.

Vastly superior military technology isn't everything unless you intend on using nukes or carpet bombing, because people have learned methods to fight it.

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by motivez

You're talking about a traditional war vs what would likely happen if they took on Iran as well. Look at how we're doing in Iraq with unconventional warfare from the insurgents.

Vastly superior military technology isn't everything unless you intend on using nukes or carpet bombing, because people have learned methods to fight it.

They won't occupy them. They will destroy their air force. Take out their main military complexes, bridges, roads, maybe electricy and then back up and take out anything that moves their way.

[Concept]

(these are wiki numbers)

Besides the fact that by the end of the war Israel had 108,000 troops (its entire army), pitted against several smaller Arab divisions which comprised roughly 65,000 troops, Israel had the defensive advantage. They had a big advantage.

But they'd have to take it to Iran and completely finish off Hezbollah, which is proving to be a bitch to do right now. Iran's military can very easily overwhelm Israel's with plain numbers. Iran is ranked first in the world in number of troops enlisted; around 12 million, whereas Israel holds 508,000.

note/edit: I realize that this doesn't ensure victory, but the odds would be against Israel if Iran was involved with her army.

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by Concept

(these are wiki numbers)

Besides the fact that by the end of the war Israel had 108,000 troops (its entire army), pitted against several smaller Arab divisions which comprised roughly 65,000 troops, Israel had the defensive advantage. They had a big advantage.

But they'd have to take it to Iran and completely finish off Hezbollah, which is proving to be a bitch to do right now. Iran's military can very easily overwhelm Israel's with plain numbers. Iran is ranked first in the world in number of troops enlisted; around 12 million, whereas Israel holds 508,000.

I know. I remember hearing how strong the Iraqi army was in the first gulf war. 60 minutes did a special every week about how our artillery wasn't good, our tanks and copters wouldn't work in the desert etc. We all know how that worked out.

12 million troops can't do shit when they don't have control of the airspace and get get from point A to point B.

[Concept]

But Israel is fighting an enemy without an Air Force right now - they're going to have major issues with an enemy who has a solid air force.

All that I'm saying is that it's going to be much tougher for Israel than what we've seen

[Stylerod]

They aren't using much of their air power now. It would be a matter of days (maybe hours) for them to wipe out Irans airforce.

They would only do this to stop or slow down Irans support of the people that are lobbing Iranian missiles into Israel. They don't have to do much or even take over any land.

Irans army would be worthless at that point and could not go on the offensive.

Arab armies have proven again and again and again to be lacking in everyting from motivation to leadership to supplies and training. Hell, Iran and Iraq battled for years and killed millions without gaining anything. And we go in and wipe out Iraqs army in a few days. Considering Israels army and air force are probably better than ours, I don't think they would have a huge amount of problems.

[Nonphixion]

Originally Posted by Concept

But Israel is fighting an enemy without an Air Force right now - they're going to have major issues with an enemy who has a solid air force.

Forgive me, but that's a horrible misconception.

Do you know that Israel has the most highly skilled, and truly superior Air Force on the planet?

• 126 enemy planes were shot down in dogfights in the years between the wars — most of them in the 1970s. The IAF lost only two planes in dogfights between the wars, once in 1959 and the other in 1964.

Israeli Air Force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Concept]

Don't get me wrong.

I never said Israel had a bad air force. Maybe I have been underestimating their air force, but they have been fighting huge numbers of untrained and primitive forces when compared to their quality air force.

Iran's air force is much more modern, and they possess a large array of SA-15 surface-to-air missiles, something we have seen nothing of in this current conflict.

I'm not saying they can't do this, I'm merely saying it's going to be much tougher

[Kytro]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

Iran doesn't have a very good army or air force. Israel would wipe the snot out of them.

Plenty of missiles though. Is it worth the risk to civillians? I don't think Iran would think twice to attacking civillians in Israel in response to an attack on them.

[SpicyMcVoodoo]

Originally Posted by Stylerod

I know. I remember hearing how strong the Iraqi army was in the first gulf war. 60 minutes did a special every week about how our artillery wasn't good, our tanks and copters wouldn't work in the desert etc. We all know how that worked out.

12 million troops can't do shit when they don't have control of the airspace and get get from point A to point B.

I was referring to Iran's missile collection. They could bomb the shit out of Israel. That won't win a war necessarily, but like I said, it would make Israel pay a high cost for going to war with Iran.

[Stylerod]

Originally Posted by SpicyMcVoodoo

I was referring to Iran's missile collection. They could bomb the shit out of Israel. That won't win a war necessarily, but like I said, it would make Israel pay a high cost for going to war with Iran.

I don't know. They may or may not.

http://www.fas.org/irp/threat/prolif97/pg28.gif

According to this they don't have anything that can reach. Not sure what this is dated though.

[Kytro]

Thanks to wiki:

Fajr-3

Main article: Fajr-3 (MIRV)

Fajr-3 MIRV
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Fajr-3 MIRV

The Fajr-3 (MIRV) is currently Iran's most advanced ballistic missile. It is a domestically developed and produced liquid fuel missile with an unknown range. What makes it Iran's most advanced rocket is that it has multiple independently targeted reentry vehicles (MIRV) capabilities. Its MIRV capability gives it the possibility to avoid all anti-missile SAMs.

The missile was last launched during holy prophet wargames, which was the IRGC' largest naval wargames ever.

Main article: Shahab-3

Shahab-3B
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Shahab-3B

Shahab-3 was the first Intermediate-range ballistic missile that was built by Iran's military. Its first model, also known as Shahab-3A has a range of 1300km. Soon after Iran came with a new model called Shahab-3B, which has a range of 2000km, and can carry a heavier warhead. Making this missile was a major step in Iran's missile industry, and it opened the way to longer range missiles. Shahab-3D is Iran's latest Shahab model, which has an even higher precision and a greater range.

Plus whatever else they have...

[motivez]

They're going to continue to supply Hezbollah through Syria as long as this conflict goes on.

Like I said in another thread, they're following the US's tradition of launching proxy wars

[kinggovernor]

all this does not sound good for the lebanese people, but hey maybe they will learn be careful what you wish for

[Kytro]

Originally Posted by kinggovernor

all this does not sound good for the lebanese people, but hey maybe they will learn be careful what you wish for

That is highly unlikely. Most probable is they will learn that perhaps terrorism is justifiable in thier minds.

[kinggovernor]

Originally Posted by Kytro

That is highly unlikely. Most probable is they will learn that perhaps terrorism is justifiable in thier minds.

probably, so I will feel even less sorry for them